No deal Brexit or Corbyn government?

Triple_Zero

phillw wrote: »

Free of the meddling EU we can import drugs without such trifling red tape

What "red tape" are you talking about please?

phillw wrote: »

When our brave soldiers were fighting in the second world war, they didn't worry about drug trials, labeling or ensuring quality.

Pretty much like the average person today you mean then who rely on regulation & procedure for such things, as is only right and proper.
(I thought you objected to using WW2 examples in things Brexit-related?)

phillw wrote: »

Why are you such a traitor?

Perhaps a sit down & cup of tea are called for if you're getting so worked-up over a few pointless jumbled words floating around the ether.

Sailtheworld

Triple_Zero wrote: »

That is not true & a quick glance at our trading partners will show you why.
Our single largest trading partner for example is the USA.
No EU trade deal there, they couldn't agree one.

Most countries in the world have either a trade agreement with the EU or are part of a preferential trade arrangement with the EU.

It's not the best way to look at post brexit trade to be honest. Taking a step back it's a fact that most countries in the world conduct trade with their nearest neighbours under agreed trade deals. The USA is an example. Their biggest trade partner is China but most trade volume goes through closer neighbours under FTAs.

Armed with this knowledge then the priority should be set up trade deals with our nearest trading partners i.e. the EU which also happens to the World's largest trading bloc. It's how the rest of the World operates.

Green_Bear

Triple_Zero wrote: »

What "red tape" are you talking about please?


Pretty much like the average person today you mean then who rely on regulation & procedure for such things, as is only right and proper.
(I thought you objected to using WW2 examples in things Brexit-related?)


Perhaps a sit down & cup of tea are called for if you're getting so worked-up over a few pointless jumbled words floating around the ether.

Perhaps sarcasm doesn't come across so easily on an internet forum?

phillw

Triple_Zero wrote: »

Perhaps a sit down & cup of tea are called for if you're getting so worked-up over a few pointless jumbled words floating around the ether.

I'm not worked up, I was being sarcastic. The fact you couldn't tell the difference between me and a leave voter is rather telling & shows how good my mimicry is.

Fran_Klee

phillw wrote: »

I'm not worked up, I was being sarcastic. The fact you couldn't tell the difference between me and a leave voter is rather telling & shows how good my mimicry is.

I think that - reading the response to your "sarcasm" - the one not able to tell when they're having the proverbial taken out of them is far more telling.

The bit that made me need to clean my screen, still chuckling, was the comment referencing your previous hatred of using WW2 examples.
Brilliant.
:rotfl:

Fran_Klee

Sailtheworld wrote: »

Most countries in the world have either a trade agreement with the EU or are part of a preferential trade arrangement with the EU.

Oh dear.

Global #1 country for international trade = USA.
Does the USA have a trade deal with the EU?
No.

Global #2 country for international trade = China.
Does China have a trade deal with the EU?
No.

Trying another tack, there are 195 countries in the world less the EU 27 (after Brexit) = 168
How many does the EU have any form of trade deal with?
70-odd.
Is that "most countries in the world"?
No.

So after well & truly bursting that first bubble there's not really much point even discussing the rest if it's equally as unreliable.
Perhaps you should stick to the sailing.
What you're posting is after all akin to those "it was THIS big" tall stories.

Sailtheworld

Fran_Klee wrote: »

Global #1 country for international trade = USA.
Does the USA have a trade deal with the EU?
No.

If you look at what I said you'll note I didn't say it did.

Fran_Klee wrote: »

Global #2 country for international trade = China.
Does China have a trade deal with the EU?
No.

Same again.

Look at what I said. Most international trade takes place between near neighbours under trade agreements.

Fran_Klee wrote: »

Trying another tack, there are 195 countries in the world less the EU 27 (after Brexit) = 168
How many does the EU have any form of trade deal with?
70-odd.
Is that "most countries in the world"?
No.

From Full Fact. 135 member countries of the WTO and 23 non-observer members of the WTO. 64 have a trade agreement in place. Another 47 have preferential trade arrangements. Let's not argue about how many countries there are because 111 is more than half either way.

Not that it matters (just a fun factoid) so please don't apologise for being rude and wrong. The important thing is to note how most (which isn't the same as all - I shouldn't need to point this out BTW) countries trade internationally.

Prioritising trade agreements with anyone over the EU is extremely high risk because, I repeat, most trade takes place between geographical neighbours under trade agreements.

Faster growth in other parts of the World presents a risk whether we are in or out of the EU. The idea that we should avoid a trade deal with the EU to chase it is ludicrous - most of that new trade will be split among the countries near to where the growth is happening.

It's just geography and common sense.

Thrugelmir

Triple_Zero wrote: »

That is not true & a quick glance at our trading partners will show you why.
Our single largest trading partner for example is the USA.
No EU trade deal there, they couldn't agree one.

6 of the largest 10 countries that the EU trades with are on WTO terms. Anything with the EU takes years......

Sailtheworld

Thrugelmir wrote: »

6 of the largest 10 countries that the EU trades with are on WTO terms. Anything with the EU takes years......

You've said that twice now and it's not true.

I reckon the 10 biggest trade partners of the EU are

USA/ China / Switzerland / Russia / Turkey / Japan / Norway / S. Korea / India / Canada.

There are trade deals of one sort of another with Switzerland / Turkey / Japan / Norway / S. Korea / Canada.

Luckily it's just another interesting factoid so it'll make not a jot of difference to your world view.

Again, the important thing to note about about trade is that the majority of most countries trade is with geographical neighbours under trade agreements. If future trade growth is going to be ex EU that's a problem because for the UK to fully benefit we'd need to be geographic close to that region.

Short of towing the UK to Asia our fortunes are very much going to mirror those of our near neighbours. The days of the East India company are gone.

Thrugelmir

Sailtheworld wrote: »

There are trade deals of one sort of another

Correct.

Which means that some areas of trade are still conducted under WTO rules.