No deal Brexit or Corbyn government?

Thrugelmir

Sailtheworld wrote: »

Which is even more bad news for the Tories. They've presided over an almighty brexit shambles and, according to you, there's far wider discontent on top.

Seems you are living in the bubble. Blame the Tories at every opportunity. Shambles? There's more to everyday life than political parties and their endless facebook orientated diahorrea.

phillw

Conina wrote: »

the ERG for example number only a small number of MP's (of which Boris is not one) out of the Tory total but can the same be said for Momentum's influence in the Labour party?

You can't easily compare the number of ERG members and Momentum's influence.

Surely a better comparison is the ERGs influence vs Momentum's influence. JRM is in the cabinet and is leader of the house. He can exert more influence than Momentum.

Thrugelmir

phillw wrote: »

Y He can exert more influence than Momentum.

Not at grass roots level.

phillw

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Not at grass roots level.

The ERG and conservative party members seem to be doing a reasonable job, some of them have split off into the brexit party.

Momentum seem to have less influence. You seem more outraged because you disagree with them

Sailtheworld

Conina wrote: »

Ridiculous comment!

Each and every MP faces the same level of scrutiny and it's only when they pass muster that they survive another term, hence your Tory MP of a decade's standing - and it is why so many of the current poor crop will fall at the next General Election.
:T

It's only to be expected that government face higher levels of scrutiny on a day to day basis. The opposition aren't in charge so have less effect on our lives on a day to day basis.

That's how it works whether the government wear blue, red or yellow ties.

Sailtheworld

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Seems you are living in the bubble. Blame the Tories at every opportunity. Shambles? There's more to everyday life than political parties and their endless facebook orientated diahorrea.

So the shambles of brexit is nothing to do with the Tories and the wider (unspecified as usual) discontent has nothing to do with the Tories either?

Good to know.

Conina

Sailtheworld wrote: »

It's only to be expected that government face higher levels of scrutiny on a day to day basis. The opposition aren't in charge so have less effect on our lives on a day to day basis.

That's how it works whether the government wear blue, red or yellow ties.

Again ridiculous unless you really haven't noticed that it's the opposition that have been dictating in parliament for quite a while, even setting the Brexit agenda.

Conina

Sailtheworld wrote: »

So the shambles of brexit is nothing to do with the Tories and the wider (unspecified as usual) discontent has nothing to do with the Tories either?

Good to know.

Newtons Third Law. It takes two to Tango you know, you couldn't have your hated Tories causing what you think of as a "shambles" or have your " wider discontent" without an opposing set of possibilities.

fewgroats

Cakeguts wrote: »

Nothing to do with the EU the shortage of medicines and anyone who says it is will be telling lies. France is short of medicines and they are not leaving the EU.

That's kind of like saying "America is short of donuts. So if we leave the EU and we're short of donuts, it won't be because we've left the EU".

Flawed logic, I'm afraid.

phillw

Pete_Zaluver wrote: »

Presumably then we can import medicines from where we want, without reliance upon the EU.

Some medicines can't survive sitting in customs for a week. You can't just trust them to be left there either, they require secure transport. Which is much cheaper when bringing in from the EU.

The ones that have already been stockpiled in the UK are likely to be sold for export if sterling crashes, which it will if we leave without a deal.

That 350 million a week for the NHS is looking pretty inadequate at that point.

Not sure what quotas there are for drugs when trading on WTO terms, that may also throw a spanner in the works. The EU is a dream to deal with compared to the WTO.