No deal Brexit or Corbyn government?

westernpromise

lisyloo wrote: »

I think it’s funny how leavers claim it’s not harmful but at the same time a huge negotiating tool.

The claim I would think is that it's not harmful to the UK. But is harmful to the EU. So if we leave sans deal they suffer worse. So they pony up.

If I threaten to shoot you, it's not harmful to me but it's harmful to you, which makes it a huge negotiating tool. If I have to shoot you I lose one bullet; you lose more.

I guess.

Thrugelmir

lisyloo wrote: »

Boris should have been putting most of his efforts into getting a deal,

While the Labour party's forthcoming manifesto is still not to commit to either in or out. You do wonder in whose interests they are acting. Doesn't appear to be the wider electorates.

Sailtheworld

Thrugelmir wrote: »

While the Labour party's forthcoming manifesto is still not to commit to either in or out. You do wonder in whose interests they are acting. Doesn't appear to be the wider electorates.

The Tories have been in charge of this shambles from start to finish.

Thank your lucky stars Labour have provided poor opposition otherwise the nasty bogeyman would be in Downing Street.

Poor_Leno

I still think, as mentioned previous (under old pseudonym, btw) we have a higher chance of a labour, SNP & Lib Dem government than Tory / BP. SNP scoop those 12 Tory seats in Scotland. Brexit Party can only win marginal seats where Tories don't have a strong vote. That probably being most of Wales and the midlands. I don't see BP winning more than about 9 or 10 seats just cos of how it is with FPTP. And with Tories losing at least 12 seats, they need to make gains from somewhere. South West will be fiercely contested by the Lib Dems, who will almost certainly make gains there - and last I checked there's only one labour seat in the South West, all others Tory. So, that's more losses.

I honestly don't see where these Tory gains are coming from to win a majority or a share of power with their current heavy right wing position. They're basically relying on an absolute collapse of the labour vote, to the point where even 50 SNP + 30-40 Lib Dem seats still could not help them get into government. My feeling is the Tories and labour will both have under 300 seats. Labour potentially as few as 240. But that still makes them more likely to be in government than the tories. Of course, my hypothesis is based on politics as 'read'. We're in unique times, without question..anything is still possible - except the person on LBC earlier proclaiming the Lib Dems could win a majority. No chance.

lisyloo

Cakeguts wrote: »

Nothing to do with the EU the shortage of medicines and anyone who says it is will be telling lies. France is short of medicines and they are not leaving the EU.

So you know more than the experts?

https://www.pharmaceutical-journal.com/news-and-analysis/news/uk-not-fully-prepared-for-medicines-importation-in-a-no-deal-brexit-says-hospital-pharmacist-body/20207032.article?firstPass=false

Thrugelmir

Sailtheworld wrote: »

The Tories have been in charge of this shambles from start to finish.

Outside of the bubble. There's a far greater discontent.

Sorry but throwing mud no longer works.

Thrugelmir

Poor_Leno wrote: »

I still think, as mentioned previous (under old pseudonym, btw) we have a higher chance of a labour, SNP & Lib Dem government

When the election canvassing starts in earnest. The party divisions are going to be totally exposed.

Cakeguts

lisyloo wrote: »

So you know more than the experts?

https://www.pharmaceutical-journal.com/news-and-analysis/news/uk-not-fully-prepared-for-medicines-importation-in-a-no-deal-brexit-says-hospital-pharmacist-body/20207032.article?firstPass=false

No just what is in the French papers. The French health service is short of medicines. France is remaining in the EU so it can't be just the EU that is causing this shortage otherwise all EU countries France included would have enough.


With the NHS it is more likely to be incompetence in ordering them. I went to our local hospital recently and you really would need to avoid going there if you were ill. It is known locally to be dreadful. I don't think I have ever been anywhere that is so disorganised.

lisyloo

Cakeguts wrote: »

No just what is in the French papers. The French health service is short of medicines. France is remaining in the EU so it can't be just the EU that is causing this shortage otherwise all EU countries France included would have enough.

Your logic is flawed.
There are other reasons for medicine shortages, for example HRT has had manufacturing issues.
This does not mean there will be no import issues.

There can be multiple causes for one issue.

So other reason for delays does NOT equal no import issues.

Cakeguts

lisyloo wrote: »

Your logic is flawed.
There are other reasons for medicine shortages, for example HRT has had manufacturing issues.
This does not mean there will be no import issues.

There can be multiple causes for one issue.

So other reason for delays does NOT equal no import issues.

Surely that depends on where you are importing it from? If it is coming from outside the EU then there isn't a problem. The NHS has had 3 years to get this sorted out but they just haven't bothered. (Again)