Electric vehicles miles per KWh

almillar

Luckily, Nissan's e-pedal system is voluntary. I find it useful in e.g. a traffic jam but appalling in normal motoring (although some Nissan drivers apparently think it's wonderful !)

This is the way the i3 works by default too. My dad has got into using it and likes not having to move his leg between pedals in normal driving. When i was trying to get used to it there were a few sudden stops!

Be very careful with lower priced offers ! Some Nissans and all (I think) Renaults - and possibly others - come with a leased battery

A small number of early Leafs, and the vast majority of Zoes, are battery lease. Zoe 'i' doesn't have a lease, if you can find one.

Martyn1981

EricMears wrote: »

Be very careful with lower priced offers ! Some Nissans and all (I think) Renaults - and possibly others - come with a leased battery. For a low mileage user, leasing costs could easily exceed fuel costs !

Good point.

Got a quote for insurance of approx £240, which is excellent news. That leaves around £500 pa for depreciation out of potential petrol savings.

Certainly looks doable(ish) but may have to save up for a slightly more expensive BEV first.

Thanks again for thoughts and advice, very interesting.

michaels

The earliest leafs are not compatible with the ovo v2g trial if you were thinking of using it as a battery.

NigeWick

EricMears wrote: »

Luckily, Nissan's e-pedal system is voluntary.

I had a 40kWh Leaf and gave up on the e-pedal. #rapidgate meant that I got rid of what was otherwise a good car.

The 64kWh Kona is far better, apart from the smaller boot and rear passenger space that I don't need.

EricMears

NigeWick wrote: »

I had a 40kWh Leaf and gave up on the e-pedal. #rapidgate meant that I got rid of what was otherwise a good car.

The 64kWh Kona is far better, apart from the smaller boot and rear passenger space that I don't need.

Can you confirm that Kia don't impose regenerative braking on you when you think it not needed ?

NigeWick

EricMears wrote: »

Can you confirm that Kia don't impose regenerative braking on you when you think it not needed ?

No, my car is a Hyundai Kona. On it, the paddle on the left has three stages plus bringing the car to a full stop. Paddle on the right removes the regen one stage at a time. With no regen, the car will gently slow down because of drag and tyre & mechanical resistance. As the Kia eNero is basically a twin under the body shell, I suspect it will be the same.

EricMears

NigeWick wrote: »

No, my car is a Hyundai Kona. On it, the paddle on the left has three stages plus bringing the car to a full stop. Paddle on the right removes the regen one stage at a time. With no regen, the car will gently slow down because of drag and tyre & mechanical resistance. As the Kia eNero is basically a twin under the body shell, I suspect it will be the same.

Thanks for that. "Gently slowing down because of drag and tyre & mechanical resistance" is of course what ICE cars really do (and not what Nissan seem to think they do).

When going down a steepish hill in high gear (or D in an automatic) and you lift your foot off the accelerator :-
An ICE will keep going, perhaps even getting faster.
A VW e-Up! does exactly the same.
BUT a Nissan Leaf will apply regen and slow down.

Would you say that your Hyundai behaves more like an e-Up! or a Leaf ?

Dave_Fowler

The 2017 Hyundai Ioniq has the same steering wheel paddles as the Kona, with three progressive stages of regeneration and also zero. Unlike the latest Ioniq, holding the paddle does not cause the car to come to a halt - but level 3 regeneration is quite abrupt. It's only a software difference between the 2017 and the 2019 models, so it may be upgraded in the future. I use level 0 regeneration most of the time and only use level 1 to keep a constant speed when going down a slight incline and change to level 2 or 3 for slowing down.

Dave F

silverwhistle

EricMears wrote: »

Be very careful with lower priced offers ! Some Nissans and all (I think) Renaults - and possibly others - come with a leased battery. For a low mileage user, leasing costs could easily exceed fuel costs !

This is one issue I would have. Secondly as I'm a single car household an early (non lease) Leaf would be within my budget but the range wouldn't be practical for my usage profile, which tends to more mileage during the winter (football playing!) season. Thirdly I'd need to create hard standing out of the front garden of my terrace house. I've got 4kWp of solar panels but not much help without a parking space.



So there are lots of us keeping a weather eye on the situation, and whilst my current fully amortised car is running there's not too much incentive to change. Give it about two years though..;)

NigeWick

EricMears wrote: »

TWould you say that your Hyundai behaves more like an e-Up! or a Leaf ?

Never driven the VW so I can't answer that one.