Electric vehicles miles per KWh

ABrass

Phantom drain isn't really a big deal for EV users at the moment. If you're doing it for financial reasons then you're doing a lot of miles, in which case the overnight phantom drain is negligible compared to your driving.

On the other topic of cheap EVs, they aren't going to come around until the volume of batteries produced skyrockets, or in other words, a couple of years. Whilst you (as a motor company executive) are faced with a situation where you can put your battery in a high margin premium machine or a low margin ecobox you're going to go high margin every time. It'd be stupid not to.

Battery manufacturers are shipping every unit they can make. EVs are supply limited because they already make sense financially for a decent proportion of the world. Even Tesla are supply limited, which is why they're just finishing their second car factory in China (GF3) and planning their third in the EU (GF4).

silverwhistle

EricMears wrote: »

Very few of the other contributions to this thread referred to actual ownership of a BEV so can hardly be described as authoritative !

I tend to take account of actual user experience: yourself, Dave Fowler, Stageshoot, and forums elsewhere. Still can't afford one though, and have an ironic chuckle when I see people going on about equipment specs, whether the stereo is adequate and the like.



As pointed out manufacturers will tend to build the premium models first due to battery supply constraints. I'm a single vehicle household (ignoring bicycles) and need to have better range than the current second hand models within my budget, although if you are a commuter an older S/H Leaf might be ideal.


This has all reminded me that my 10 year old car is due a service and MOT. I checked yesterday and there is no Haynes manual available for it, shock horror. I might just have an oil change done as brakes, fluid and auxiliary belt were done last year. This is the reality of cheap motoring, so all you company drivers, get an EV and make it second hand soon!

1961Nick

silverwhistle wrote: »

........This is the reality of cheap motoring, so all you company drivers, get an EV and make it second hand soon!

Just let me know your preferred spec & colour and I'll have it ready for you in 42 months.:D

silverwhistle

Neither of those things are important to me! Price it well though.. :-)

Martyn1981

silverwhistle wrote: »

I tend to take account of actual user experience: yourself, Dave Fowler, Stageshoot, and forums elsewhere. Still can't afford one though, and have an ironic chuckle when I see people going on about equipment specs, whether the stereo is adequate and the like.

Spot on, the input has been fascinating, allowing me to live vicariously through these EV'ers.

I think Stageshoot's posts, and the decision despite massive mileage, to shift from an I3 Rex to an I3 was an 'I' opener for me, proving that fast charging is viable.

Sadly, same boat as you here, small budget and single car household. I'm honestly hoping I can get a BEV before TAAS pushes me out of the driver's seat.

If we could justify two cars, then a very short range and cheap s/h BEV would be ideal. I wonder if the fuel savings could make up for depreciation, insurance etc ...... hmmmm!

ASavvyBuyer

Martyn1981 wrote: »

If we could justify two cars, then a very short range and cheap s/h BEV would be ideal. I wonder if the fuel savings could make up for depreciation, insurance etc ...... hmmmm!

We have found that as well as the fuel savings, depreciation appears to be less on current EV's and our insurance was/is cheaper than it was for a 8 year old small diesel. Also, 3 major services were included in the price, so maintenance costs of zero!

EricMears

Martyn1981 wrote: »

If we could justify two cars, then a very short range and cheap s/h BEV would be ideal. I wonder if the fuel savings could make up for depreciation, insurance etc ...... hmmmm!

It all depends on how many miles you could do in it. As a very rough guide, every mile you'd do in a BEV would save you something like 10p (you'd need to check fuel consumption of your current ICE very carefully and speak to someone who owns the same model of BEV to which you aspire to get some more accurate costings) so if you expect to be able to replace 10,000 miles with electricity rather than petrol/derv you could expect a saving of £1000 pa which would probably cover depreciation on (say) a £7k 24kWh Leaf. Extra insurance might not be as bad as you think since you should be able to get a lower premium on the ICE when you've declared a reduced annual mileage.

But of course if you could only replace 1,000 miles you'd only have a saving of £100 pa which wouldn't cover very much at all.

Martyn1981

EricMears wrote: »

It all depends on how many miles you could do in it. As a very rough guide, every mile you'd do in a BEV would save you something like 10p (you'd need to check fuel consumption of your current ICE very carefully and speak to someone who owns the same model of BEV to which you aspire to get some more accurate costings) so if you expect to be able to replace 10,000 miles with electricity rather than petrol/derv you could expect a saving of £1000 pa which would probably cover depreciation on (say) a £7k 24kWh Leaf. Extra insurance might not be as bad as you think since you should be able to get a lower premium on the ICE when you've declared a reduced annual mileage.

But of course if you could only replace 1,000 miles you'd only have a saving of £100 pa which wouldn't cover very much at all.

Thanks. Very (very) rough guess, we'd only need the Zafira for taking out more than one dog, long trips, and carrying large items, like wood, bricks etc etc..

So, we (mainly Wifey) do about 8k pa, and most trips are 3-5 miles and back, then some, say 20 - 30 miles, but only a few are in the hundreds.

Could also plan around sunny days to leave it plugged in for a recharge on a granny cable.

Let's guess at 5k miles all well within a low range BEV?

Solarchaser

Wife did around 3k miles a year in the ice car, she has so far done over 5k in the 10 months of leaf ownership.

No fuel cost and total reliability have obviously been big factors.

ASavvyBuyer

Solarchaser wrote: »

Wife did around 3k miles a year in the ice car, she has so far done over 5k in the 10 months of leaf ownership.

No fuel cost and total reliability have obviously been big factors.

We used to do about 10-12k a year in the ice car. With the EV, coming up to a year of ownership we have done nearly 17k. It is such a joy to drive that we have used it for UK holidays this year, rather than flying abroad, saving even more CO2. Usually, a 250-300 mile return journey has an average cost of about £6 for public charging.