UKCPS Not Parked in Marked Bay

ffacoffipawb

Coupon-mad wrote: »

Nope, they are good. Very knowledgeable.

I have to note the letter says that the parking charge remains unpaid which would suggest a NTD not a NTK. Very odd.

I have to say I am getting conflicting advice everywhere.

KeithP

So after forty posts we have come back to the beginning - questioning the one size fits all template.

Do what you think best. I'm out.

Quentin

You have missed the whole point(s) behind that appeal, and why you are advised not to alter it


And the other one that has been repeatedly told you - any appeal to IPC companies is futile!


I'm off to catch up with Keith!

waamo

ffacoffipawb wrote: »

The appeal does not address the issues whereas the suggested alternative does and possibly raises the issue that POFA may not apply.

Sorry if I am a bit thick but I dont understand why an irrelevant response beats a relevant one. What am I missing please? I am new to all this rubbish so no need to be unpleasant, it is uncalled for.

The appeal is doomed to fail. The IPC rejects all appeals. It does identify you as a difficult target though so discourages court action.

It's explained in the Newbies thread which is why people are getting exasperated as you keep being told to read it but clearly aren't taking that on board.

waamo

ffacoffipawb wrote: »

Doesn't my relevant response do the same though?

This will be an appeal to the company.

I will use the template one to IPC if it gets that far.

I give up too. Sorry.

KeithP

ffacoffipawb wrote: »

I will use the template one to IPC if it gets that far.

Why would you do that?

That's not in the guidance from the NEWBIES thread.

ffacoffipawb

KeithP wrote: »

Why would you do that?

That's not in the guidance from the NEWBIES thread.

OK thats understood.

However the thread does state:

Want to dig deeper? Check the compliance of your Notice to Keeper, if the PPC is citing 'keeper liability' under the POFA. Here's a link to Schedule 4 of POFA 2012 which applies in England/Wales only (look for the words shown in paragraph 8 if it's a 'windscreen ticket followed by a NTK', or the words in paragraph 9 if it's a postal PCN only)

Hence the reason I was sending a different reply due to perceived non compliance. They are quoting POFA.

Anyway, I think I will use the appeal here, regardless of advice elsewhere, even though the points are irrelevant. I bow to what must be the better advice here.

I will keep the POFA breach to myself for now and use in court if necessary.

It just seems wrong, intuitively. I just dont get it. Perhaps because English is not my first language.

Not going to reply to them until near the 28 days.

The driver will not be named.

Wonder how much 60 x £1 cheques will cost them to bank. I have plenty of accounts with chequebooks lol.

If I hear any more, eg LBCC, I will update here.

ffacoffipawb

Surprise surprise, the UKCPS scammers have rejected my MSE template response within a day of submission. Guess it's a 6 year waiting game now. I have no intention of appealing to the IAS kangaroo court.

It is a shame that this company have no pay machines that people can vent their frustrations on. Ahem.

I guess I could ask for GPDR data held on me every month or so to waste their resources. Costs me nothing, costs them effort and stamps.

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Thank you for your appeal received on 26/08/2019 regarding the above detailed Parking Charge Notice (PCN). We have reviewed the case and considered the comments that you have made. This appeal has been considered in conjunction with the evidence gathered and our records show that the PCN was correctly issued as your vehicle was parked in breach of the Terms and Conditions of Parking.
Vehicles parking at the above location must be parked correctly within a marked bay; in the car park. There are numerous signs at the car park which state that vehicles should only be parked where a marked bay is present and must not be parked on, over, out of the lines forming a marked bay or, in a bay marked for a specific vehicle type i.e. Ambulance, Police, Coach etc. Parking out of marked bays can cause obstruction, inconvenience and safety hazards to other users of the car park. By parking the vehicle out of a marked bay the driver contractually agrees to pay a parking charge.

We are therefore unable to cancel the PCN as it was issued correctly. We have now extended the discounted payment period by 14 days to allow you time to pay the discounted settlement amount. Please now make payment of £60 to reach us by 10/09/2019 or £100 to reach us by 24/09/2019. We must advise you that once the discounted settlement rate passes it will not be offered again.

Payment
Payments can be made to the Creditor by using one of the following methods:
Online at: ukcps.ec6pay.com
By Debit / Credit card (Delta, Switch, Mastercard or Visa) by calling 0333 023 0121
By Cheque / Postal order made payable to: UKCPS Ltd at the address outlined at the top of this letter

If you believe this decision is incorrect, you are entitled to appeal to the Independent Appeals Service (IAS). In order to appeal the IAS will need your parking charge number (PCN), your vehicle registration and the date the parking charge was originally issued. Appeals must be submitted to the IAS within 21 days of the date of this letter.
UKCPS Ltd Registered Company Number 5090613 Registered in England; 1200 Century Way Thorpe Park Business Park, Colton, Leeds West Yorkshire LS15 8ZA.

Due to data protection we regret there is no public access to the registered office.

Please note if you make an appeal to the IAS then the discounted rate is no longer available. The Independent Appeals Service (https://www.theias.org) provides an Alternative Dispute Resolution scheme (ADR) for disputes of this type. As you have complied with our internal appeals procedure you may use, and we will engage with the IAS Standard Appeals Service providing you lodge an appeal to them within 21 days of the date of this rejection.

If the parking charge remains unpaid, we may seek to recover the monies owed to us via our Debt Recovery procedures and may proceed with County Court action against you.

UKCPS Ltd will not enter further correspondence unless through the IAS appeal system details above.

UKCPS Ltd can only address the factual issues of where and how you parked. We will not enter into discussions about the legality of parking on private land or of the landowners right to impose parking conditions on their property. We will only answer points relevant to the specific parking event all other points you may have made are irrelevant to the appeal.

UKCPS Ltd provide National car parking solutions. Our Information Commissioner's Office (ICO) registration number is Z968298X. We are accredited Approved Operator Scheme (AOS) operators with our ATA (Approved Trade Association), the International Parking Community (IPC).

UKCPS Ltd on behalf of our clients have a legitimate interest in ensuring parking regulations, as displayed on the sites, are adhered to. Your personal data may be processed, for the purpose of, enforcing parking charges which become due as a result of a parking regulation breach.

Please Note: CCTV and Automatic Number Plate Recognition (ANPR) Technology may have been in use.

Images including the vehicle number plates may have been obtained to confirm entry and exit of the car park and calculate the length of stay and may have been used for enforcement purposes. CCTV footage may have been obtained to detect any breaches of the site terms and conditions. Please see full privacy notice at https://www.ukcps.com/privacy-notice.

Any queries (not for appeals) regarding your data which is held please email our Data Protection Officer at: dataprotectionofficer@ukcps.net

Regards,
UKCPS Appeals Department

Umkomaas

Bog standard template non-specific appeal rejection (they all have them).

I guess I could ask for GPDR data held on me every month or so to waste their resources. Costs me nothing, costs them effort and stamps.

Nah! Your first one is free, but subsequent ones (covering similar aspects) and/or frivolous requests can be charged.

All you can do is wait to see any next move of theirs. They will threaten court, we rarely see them follow through with the threat, but there has been the occasional foray.

I hope your user name doesn't include me in its sights!

ffacoffipawb

Umkomaas wrote: »

I hope your user name doesn't include me in its sights!

No, only scam parking companies.