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  • Le_Kirk
    Le_Kirk Posts: 26,233 Forumite
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    Not all of it, just about the loss or damage. However, facts like that are normally reserved for the witness statement stage. If you leave it in (your call) make sure you change it to third person, i.e.
    I am still under that......
    becomes
    The defendant is still under that......
  • Ruby82
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    If the claimant has tried to charge a spurious £60 or more, search the forum for a thread about Abuse of Process by beamerguy with a comment at post #14 of that thread by Coupon-mad and add a summary of that

    in the newbie thread could u direct me , I cant seem to find it?
  • Ruby82
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    u mentioned about loss or damage
    should I delete the following from the statement:


    7.3. The Claimant has suffered loss or damage or that there is a lawful basis to pursue a claim for loss
  • Le_Kirk
    Le_Kirk Posts: 26,233 Forumite
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    [URL="https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6014081[/COLOR][/URL]is a link to beamerguy's thread (it wasn't in the NEWBIE sticky) and yes delete the loss or damage bit.
  • Ruby82
    Ruby82 Posts: 125 Forumite
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    ok i'll retry and post the defence again
  • Ruby82
    Ruby82 Posts: 125 Forumite
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    Here I go.....


    DEFENCE STATEMENT
    ________________________________________

    The Defendant makes this statement believing the contents to be true and knowing that it will be placed before the Court as evidence.
    The Defendant reserves the right to seek from the Court permission to serve an Amended Defence should the Claimant add to or expand his Particulars at a later stage of these proceedings.

    Background
    1. It is admitted that at all material times the Defendant is the registered keeper of vehicle registration mark xxxxxx which is the subject of these proceedings. The vehicle is insured with xxxxx for anyone with car insurance permitted to use it.
    2. It is denied that the Defendant was the driver of the vehicle. The Claimant is put to strict proof.
    3.1. The Claimant has provided no evidence (in pre-action correspondence or otherwise) that the Defendant was the driver. The Defendant avers that the Claimant is therefore limited to pursuing the Defendant in these proceedings under the provisions set out by statute in the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 ("POFA")
    3.2. Before seeking to rely on the keeper liability provisions of Schedule 4 POFA the Claimant must demonstrate that:
    3.2.1. There was a ‘relevant obligation’ either by way of a breach of contract, trespass or other tort; and
    3.2.2. That it has followed the required deadlines and wording as described in the Act to transfer liability from the driver to the registered keeper.
    It is not admitted that the Claimant has complied with the relevant statutory requirements.
    3.3. To the extent that the Claimant may seek to allege that any such presumption exist, the Defendant expressly denies that there is any presumption in law (whether in statute or otherwise) that the keeper is the driver. Further, the Defendant denies that the vehicle keeper is obliged to name the driver to a private parking firm. Had this been the intention of parliament, they would have made such requirements part of POFA, which makes no such provision. In the alternative, an amendment could have been made to s.172 of the Road Traffic Act 1988. The 1988 Act continues to oblige the identification of drivers only in strictly limited circumstances, where a criminal offence has been committed. Those provisions do not apply to this matter.
    Authority to Park and Primacy of Contract
    4. It is denied that the Defendant or lawful users of his/her vehicle were in breach of any parking conditions or were not permitted to park in circumstances where an express permission to park had been granted to the Defendant permitting the above mentioned vehicle to be parked by the current occupier and leaseholder of xxxxxxxxxx, whose tenancy agreement permits the parking of vehicle(s) on land. The Defendant avers that there was an absolute entitlement to park deriving from the terms of the lease, which cannot be fettered by any alleged parking terms.
    4.1. The lease contract makes no assertion that a permit must be displayed to use the bay, nor that a penalty of £100 must be paid in the event of a failure to do so.
    Without limitation as to type of vehicle, ownership of vehicle, the user of the vehicle or the requirement to display a parking permit.
    4.2. The tenancy agreement’s lack of specificity on any conditions related to parking in the relevant bay can only be construed that none of the restrictions asserted by the claimant apply.
    4.3. A copy of the lease will be provided to the Court, together with witness evidence that prior permission to park had been given.
    5. Accordingly it is denied that:
    There was any agreement as between the Defendant or driver of the vehicle and the Claimant
    6.1. There was any obligation (at all) to display a permit; and
    6.2. This is a residential area since 2004, never has anyone needed a permit or has been obliged in the lease to permit to do so.
    Till this day the bays were extra bays for contour residents and visitors as the sign states in the attached picture.
    And the Defendant is still under that housing association.
    nor any residents have received any correspondence prior to the claimant putting any signs up, neither through any letters or any other means of correspondence.
    As you can see from the picture the vehicle has no signs in front other than the bay beside.

    Alternative Defence - Failure to set out clearly parking terms
    7. In the alternative, the Defendant relies upon ParkingEye Ltd v Barry Beavis (2015) UKSC 67 insofar as the Court were willing to consider the imposition of a penalty in the context of a site of commercial value and where the signage regarding the penalties imposed for any breach of parking terms were clear - both upon entry to the site and throughout.
    7.1. The Defendant avers that the parking signage in this matter was, without prejudice to his/her primary defence above, inadequate.
    7.1.1. At the time of the material events the signage was deficient in number, distribution, wording and lighting to reasonably convey a contractual obligation;
    7.1.2. The signage did not comply with the requirements of the Code of Practice of the Independent Parking Committee’s ("IPC") Accredited Operators Scheme, an organisation to which the Claimant was a signatory; and
    7.1.3. The signage contained particularly onerous terms not sufficiently drawn to the attention of the visitor as set out in the leading judgment of Denning MR in J Spurling v Bradshaw [1956] EWCA Civ 3
    7.2. The Defendant avers that the residential site that is the subject of these proceedings is not a site where there is a commercial value to be protected. The Claimant has not suffered loss or pecuniary disadvantage. The penalty charge is, accordingly, unconscionable in this context, with ParkingEye distinguished.
    8. It is denied that the Claimant has standing to bring any claim in the absence of a contract that expressly permits the Claimant to do so, in addition to merely undertaking parking management. The Claimant has provided no proof of any such entitlement.
    9. It is denied that the Claimant has any entitlement to the sums sought.
    10. It is admitted that interest may be applicable, subject to the discretion of the Court on any sum (if awarded), but it is denied that interest is applicable on the total sums claimed by the Claimant.




    Abuse of Process
    11. Costs on the claim - disproportionate and disingenuous
    - CPR 44.3 (2) states: ''Where the amount of costs is to be assessed on the standard basis, the court will –
    (a) only allow costs which are proportionate to the matters in issue. Costs which are disproportionate in amount may be disallowed or reduced even if they were reasonably or necessarily incurred; and
    (b) resolve any doubt which it may have as to whether costs were reasonably and proportionately incurred or were reasonable and proportionate in amount in favour of the paying party.

    - Whilst quantified costs can be considered on a standard basis, this Claimant's purported costs are wholly disproportionate and do not stand up to scrutiny. In fact it is averred that the Claimant has not paid or incurred such damages/costs or 'legal fees' at all. Any debt collection letters were a standard feature of a low cost business model and are already counted within the parking charge itself.

    - The Parking Eye Ltd v Beavis case is the authority for recovery of the parking charge itself and no more, since that sum (£85 in Beavis) was held to already incorporate the minor costs of an automated private parking business model. There are no losses or damages caused by this business model and the Supreme Court Judges held that a parking firm not in possession cannot plead any part of their case in damages. It is indisputable that the alleged 'parking charge' itself is a sum which the Supreme Court found is already inflated to more than comfortably cover the cost of all letters.

    - It is trite law that non-existent and untrue 'legal costs' are also unrecoverable. Given the fact that robo-claim solicitors and parking firms process tens of thousands of claims handled by an admin team or paralegals, the Defendant avers that no solicitor is likely to have supervised this current batch of cut & paste claims. The court is invited to note that no named Solicitor has signed the Particulars, in breach of Practice Direction 22, and rendering the statement of truth a nullity.

    - According to Ladak v DRC Locums UKEAT/0488/13/LA a Claimant can only recover the direct and provable costs of the time spent preparing the claim in a legal capacity, not any administration costs allegedly incurred by already remunerated administrative staff.

    - The Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 (POFA) makes it clear that the will of Parliament regarding parking on private land is that the only sum potentially able to be recovered is the sum in any compliant 'Notice to Keeper' (and the ceiling for a 'parking charge', as set by the Trade Bodies and the DVLA, is £100). This also depends upon the Claimant fully complying with the statute, including 'adequate notice' of the parking charge and prescribed documents served in time/with mandatory wording. It is submitted the claimant has failed on all counts and the Claimant is well aware their artificially inflated claim, as pleaded, constitutes double recovery.

    - Many informed Court Court Judges have disallowed all added parking firm 'costs' in County courts, such as these cases, struck out in recent months without a hearing, due solely to the pretence of adding 'damages' blatantly made up out of thin air.

    (a) In Claim number F0DP163T on 11th July 2019, District Judge Grand sitting at the County Court at Southampton, struck out an overly inflated (over the £100 maximum Trade Body and POFA 2012 ceiling) parking firm claim without a hearing for that reason.

    (b) In Claim number F0DP201T on 10th June 2019, District Judge Taylor echoed an earlier General Judgment or Order of DJ Grand, who on 21st February 2019 sitting at the Newport (IOW) County Court, had struck out a parking firm claim. These include a BPA member serial Claimant (Britannia, using BW Legal's robo-claim model) and an IPC member serial Claimant (UKCPM, using Gladstones' robo-claim model) where the abuse is inherent in the business model.

    - The Order was identical in striking out all such claims without a hearing. - The judgment for these three example cases stated:
    ''IT IS ORDERED THAT- The claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverable under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in ParkingEye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''

    - In summary, the Claimant's particulars disclose no legal basis for the sum claimed and it is the Defendant's position that the poorly pleaded claim discloses no cause of action and no liability in law for any sum at all. The Claimant's vexatious conduct from the outset has been intimidating, misleading and indeed mendacious in terms of the added costs alleged.

    - There are several options available within the Courts' case management powers to prevent vexatious litigants pursuing a wide range of individuals for matters which are near-identical, with meritless claims and artificially inflated costs. The Defendant is of the view that private parking firms operate as vexatious litigants and that relief from sanctions should be refused.

    - The Court is invited to make an Order of its own initiative, dismissing this claim in its entirety and to allow such Defendant's costs as are permissible under Civil Procedure Rule 27.14 on the indemnity basis, taking judicial note of the wholly unreasonable conduct of this Claimant, not least due to the abuse of process in repeatedly attempting to claim fanciful costs which they are not entitled to recover.
    "I believe the facts contained in this Defence Statement are true."
    Signature
    ( could someone please go through it for me.)
  • Ruby82
    Ruby82 Posts: 125 Forumite
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    Hi has anybody managed to go over the above?
  • Ruby82
    Ruby82 Posts: 125 Forumite
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    Hi could u check it for me
  • Redx
    Redx Posts: 38,084 Forumite
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    remove the word STATEMENT at the beginning (post #30 above told you this) , a defence whould look like the examples by member bargepole


    looks like you may have copied and pasted from word, which could easily get you banned and causes formatting issues


    see the thread by former MSE andrea about this problem
  • Ruby82
    Ruby82 Posts: 125 Forumite
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    Sorry am not with u..
    Do i just remove the word statement..

    Other than is it ok to use
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