I believe I want my country back

peterbaker

chugalug wrote:

Okay so the country can't be a wonderful place for everyone because we all have different wants and needs but there are good things about this 'progress'. Don't you think??

No I now think I disagree totally with you for you have assessed it incorrectly and you have no solution.

Tonight we finally have a government estimate of the number of illegals in the UK. It's 1 in 100 of us. That is a diabolical situation.

I eat in MacDonalds at luchtime and I get a pleasant but gambling Eastern European who can't understand my order and hopes a smile will do, a Chinese lady who can, some race I cannot recognise who doesn't hear a word I say and I sit down to eat my non-standard McD salad near a couple of Wembley Stadium construction workers, one of whom would appear not to have the 715 certificate he needs to be doing the job he does, because he is fingering his friends certificate as if it is a meal ticket to huge gains. Huge numbers of the people I see each day are Eastern Europeans with the caved-in foreheads and they are all here as economic migrants, EU legal or not.

I am well educated and have in the past earned over two and a half times the best I can achieve right now at age 47. I care about standards in the workplace and in all things. I have been sacked a number of times now by employers who don't give a toss.

I have recently bought a number of items off eBay. One sender of a parcel that hasn't arrived summed up the state of the country beautifully in an email to me a couple of days ago:

Britain is like a jigsaw comprised of pieces from a large number of different puzzles. No one knows how it is supposed to be put together and actually no !!!!!! gives a toss. I take it you identify with part of that illustration?

Undercovercarrot

I haven't read through the whole topic, because quite frankly I can't be bothered to listen to some of the vitriol that certain people are spouting here.

Firstly, I don't give a DAMN about where someone is from, what they do or who they call God. I am intolerant of fools, bigots, and pi$$ takers, regardless of their creed, colour or who they call God. There are a very large number of people in this country who could fit the "profile" that peterbaker so kindly submitted, but no...this must be an IMMIGRANT problem, 'cos we all know that immigrants are nasty, right?

Why the !!!!!! can we not treat PEOPLE as PEOPLE? Hmm? All you are showing is stereotyping which is going to do absolutely !!!!!! all to help the situation.

You quote MacMillan. Well, here's a quote from the great man that I feel is quite apt: "A man who trusts nobody is apt to be the kind of man nobody trusts. "

Remind you of anyone?

chugalug

We'll have to agree to disagree although your comment about 'Eastern Europeans with the caved-in foreheads' is completly out of order! What has how someone looks got to do with anything??? IMO economic migrants have got as much right to be here as anyone - after all the free market (which we have all embraced or we wouldnt keep voting for it) allows people to work for whoever will pay them. The wider issues surrounding this issue ie health and safety, undercutting minimum wage, taxes etc etc are simply a result. Not a welcome one but one none the less. Every one gets frustrated with rude people, those who don't care, bad service etc but the question is do we pick up on this behaviour and act accordingly or do we continue to be pleasant and civil to everyone we meet even if they have 'wound us up'? As for employers, we all learn the hard way that employers will do anything to protect their businesses - if you get in the way they will not hesitate to get rid of you. I worked for a major charity with wonderful policies about harassment, equal opps etc etc. When a bully was employed and let loose in our office they didnt hesitate to defend her as she was the senior. It took over a year and the loss of 4 key members of staff before she was sacked. The bottom line is you have to look after yourself but you can still do that without resorting to shoddy behaviour. PS I dont see you offering a solution either!!

peterbaker

Undercovercarrot wrote:

"A man who trusts nobody is apt to be the kind of man nobody trusts. " Remind you of anyone?

Yes, it reminds me of most people I meet thesedays. Whereas I do make consistent judgements about who I shall trust, I cannot bring myself to trust many who do not even understand trust. For example, not even needing to meet them, I wouldn't trust someone who couldn't bring himself to say directly what he meant with anything important. Does that remind you of anyone?

peterbaker

chugalug wrote:

We'll have to agree to disagree although your comment about 'Eastern Europeans with the caved-in foreheads' is completly out of order!!

It was a description based on race and yes I wish I had used a better, more clever illustration and avoided the usual criticism. But you know exactly what I was saying, don't you? I was not being discriminatory, just descriptive. I was simply trying to get the point across that we seem swamped with too many visitors who don't speak English and are here in the UK prepared to cut-corners to earn money - any money - black money. That means I am complaining about an inflated black economy which does no-one any good except those who are in it, despite it being the most free "free market" scenario there is. I didn't vote for that scenario and few did.

Contrast my feelings about bumping along through this latest rush of recent visitors to the UK with the comfortable, safe feeling I got in Woolwich High Street a few weeks ago. There, in the main, you can find a fantastic community spirit amongst the locals which embraces all races and religions as absolute equals. True, they all speak English. But that's our language. I felt I had walked right into the East Enders tv programme, except Woolwich is of course the wrong side of the ferry for that!

So, in expanded news reports today we learn that in addition to those maybe 11 in a 1000 who are here illegally, there are another 17 in 1000 who are also here in the UK but not yet officially accepted as belonging here.

If my maths is correct, that's 27 in every 1000 who are outsiders. Think about it. And that doesn't even include the economic migrants from the new EU countries, already here legally.

That's like a whole classroom full of outsiders in a typically sized secondary school, plus probably another new classroom full of economic migrants from the new bits of the EU. I could go on and on (and frequently do - I'm sorry but I need to get so much off my chest most days!). Fair questions about both groups must surely be:
* why exactly are they here?
* what are they doing here and how are they doing it?
* where exactly have they come from?
* how do they think (what's in their culture that might surprise me)?
* where do they stay?
* do they expect to be supported?
* do they follow all the rules?
* when are they going home?
and, why should we be burdened with having to accommodate and understand them anyway?

I can get by in three or four European languages but parts of my country are swamped with people who understand very little except their own language and that the UK is a soft touch to earn easy money with few questions asked.

There are of course other migrant groups who DO speak English as a first language and have quite recently (the last ten years) infiltrated our society - probably another classroom full in a typical school. Some of them were members of the most discriminatory society in the world, and now many are here exercising their (modified?) scruples in management jobs. That demands a hell of a lot of understanding.

trafalgar_2

Crikey,English is my language but I'm finding reading this thread hard work......................and it is meant to be english ..........right

peterbaker

trafalgar wrote:

Crikey,English is my language but I'm finding reading this thread hard work......................and it is meant to be english ..........right

Yeah I just read my last post again and, for my part, I realise now that a large glass of Asda's cheapest Cabinet Sauvignon didn't help with my composition! However, a good morning cuppa (PG tips) has now cleared my head so I've taken the liberty of going back and tidying up the offending loose ends! I very much believe in the right to temper and develop an argument retrospectively to suit an audience:-)

Former_MSE_Controller2

Locking thread. I believe some of the comments are crossing into what I have outlined here

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