Out of interest

beamerguy

NeilCr wrote: »

I'd have thought they were interested in profits too?

This article seems to me to sum up some of the main reasons supermarkets are beginning to struggle - although Aldi and Asda are beginning to buck the trend.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/retailandconsumer/11585366/The-four-reasons-why-supermarkets-are-losing-money.html

Even if they knew how much PPC's lose for them, they would not broadcast it. The interesting fact in that article is that the local small stores are topping the charts, even though they are more expensive.
Maybe shoppers are prepared to pay a few pence more than get a £100 parking ticket.

All supermarkets will be tied to a contract anyway

The singing Sainsbury's CEO should be singing this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUOtCLOXgm8

waamo

beamerguy wrote: »

All supermarkets will be tied to a contract anyway

As both Somerfield and the Coop found out to their cost when they tried to dump the ppcs they had engaged.

beamerguy

waamo wrote: »

As both Somerfield and the Coop found out to their cost when they tried to dump the ppcs they had engaged.

Yes they did Waamo, the cost of breaking a contract is severe

The supermarkets have been scammed as much as the motorist

Woppyman72

I can see both sides of this. As a landowner would I want someone parking on my drive with impunity so I couldn’t park my car there? No.

But also I have had many PCN’s over the years, and when it’s genuinely been me being very careless I have paid.

These I haven’t:

- Not even on the land where car parking restrictions are in force. PPC run by 2 convicted criminals.
- My car parked on the white line and PPC claim should be ‘within’ white line
- Car Parked at 5am when car park covered in snow. That day everyone in the car park got a ticket as we couldn’t see the white lines!
- Situations where I am slightly parked out of an end bay, not causing an obstruction but trying to avoid the inevitable dings from careless drivers swinging doors into my car..
- 7 minute stay whilst deciding whether to park or not.

I’m with the deep, if the PPCs had clear signage and did not penalise for trivial issues and did not load exorbitant charges on top, then I’d be more open minded.

Indigo/Saba grossed £77M in 2017. That’s a pretty big profit however you look at it.

Ralph-y

MistyZ posted this a short while ago


https://www.ncp.co.uk/download/1965.6/parking-behaviour-and-attitude-study/?utm_source=display&utm_medium=adroll&utm_campaign =ncpsolutions




Ralph:cool:

fisherjim

Ralph-y wrote: »

MistyZ posted this a short while ago


https://www.ncp.co.uk/download/1965.6/parking-behaviour-and-attitude-study/?utm_source=display&utm_medium=adroll&utm_campaign =ncpsolutions

Ralph:cool:

Just a nice piece of contrived propaganda by NCP, you can say anything with statistics especially if you ask questions your way.


"61% of motorists agree there should be PCN's for those that purposefully break the rules when it comes to parking"


But what about those that haven't purposefully broke the rules but were penalised anyway.


"Technology is making the car park experience frictionless for customers" :rotfl:


Their very short totally biased conclusion: NCP are your most considerate enforcers of car park management, which we know is utter tripe they are no better than the rest.

MistyZ

Woppyman72 wrote: »

But also I have had many PCN’s over the years, and when it’s genuinely been me being very careless I have paid.
.

Fair play to you. However I'm not sure what good paying PPCs actually does! They are .... corrupt(?), is that too strong a word?

With car numbers increasing year on year, there has to be some effective disincentive to selfish, inconsiderate parking. With that I agree. But when we enrich scammers that doesn't feel like making amends.

Redx

there is a notorious car park for retail shops on PEEL HOLDINGS land in Stockport , not far from me

I never, repeat NEVER park there , meaning none of those shops ever get my custom , not one

this is mainly because for one they should not be charging for me to park in order to look around the shops who pay PEEL rent money , the parking should be free for patrons of those shops

plus due to the notoriety and anpr errors and signage failures at that car park (think Martin Cutts etc) and a lack of considerate appeal systems (Excel are an IPC member) there is little to be done once a pcn has been issued by Excel

I warned ASDA head office what would happen if my car was ticketed on their local site and they took my VRM and made it exempt (added to their whitelist) on all their car parks in the UK , never mind my local one

had they ticketed me , they would have lost thousands of pounds of trade per annum

if ECP try it at my local Morrissons , Morrissons will also feel my wrath and could suffer a loss in trade too

Snakes_Belly

https://www.expressandstar.com/news/transport/2018/12/03/councils-rake-in-15m-in-parking-charges-in-just-one-year/

The article above relates to council car parks but does mention the impact that the overall cost of parking is having on the high street. Wolverhampton has lost BHS, is losing Debenhams (not all that old). Beatties (now House of Fraser) is hanging by a thread. Walsall has lost Marks and Spencer and BHS. There are very few stalls in the markets in some of the smaller towns.

There is no incentive now to go into a town when you can buy the same online and avoid parking charges and possibly a parking ticket.

Umkomaas

The killer point for any retailer considering jumping into bed with a PPC.

We found that 5.16 million motorists say they have been issued with a PCN because they accidentally over-stayed in a free parking environment.1

At the same time, almost two thirds say they would be unlikely to return to a retail park or shopping centre where they had previously been served a PCN.

Two thirds of 5.16 million motorists (3.4 million) would be unlikely to return. A death blow for most town centres.

Although footfall has been steadily declining in recent years, the cumulative value of these people is too great to compromise with
a factor – parking – cited by so many as being critical in deciding when and where to spend their money.

Every reason to avoid contracting with a PPC to exploit your car park and lose you (UK plc) millions of customers and their money.

Damned by their own pen!