Out of interest

NeilCr

Snakes_Belly wrote: »

You also have to question why shoppers are deserting the high street. It's not just about online shopping. There have always been other shopping platforms before Internet shopping.

Round here it's because of the introduction (quite a few years back) of an out of town shopping centre/complex. Big shops, supermarkets, multiplex cinema, restaurants, casino. Car parks there are always full - and big. I've lost track of my car at least once there!

So our town has a Waitrose (thankfully) medium size Asda and Aldi, a few normal high street shops (Boots, Smiths), estate agents and lots of charity shops. Some good restaurants, fortunately!

Personally, I am not a great believer in PPCs (ahem) driving people away from supermarkets and high streets. I know it is possible to find individual instances but, it's not something that you see mentioned much - if at all - for falls in sales. I tend to think supermarkets are pretty cute and if that was happening they'd do something about it

Ralph-y

ToxicWomble




most of the 'loophole' defences are there because PPC's will not ... in all most all cases consider the first appeal. ...... ever ....



Especially mitigating circumstances ....


POPLA are the same ... only legal points ..... never mitigating facts ..


this is why the newbies thread states ' the details of your case are irrelevant'



so under the current climate loopholes are the only possible course of action with a PPC / POPLA .


landlord / owner / CEO .... differs slightly.



this may change after the new rules are confirmed .... I await with bated breath




Oh and please come back for some loophole defence when you finally get caught ........




Ralph:cool:

Snakes_Belly

NeilCr wrote: »

Personally, I am not a great believer in PPCs (ahem) driving people away from supermarkets and high streets. I know it is possible to find individual instances but, it's not something that you see mentioned much - if at all - for falls in sales. I tend to think supermarkets are pretty cute and if that was happening they'd do something about it

There is evidence that footfall is down in the West Midlands. Some of the larger stores have now closed. This is thought to be partly down to the costs of parking.

fisherjim

It's all very well wanting "loopholes" closing but how about the PPC's that don't even use loopholes in their own COP to entrap, or target victims, they just do as they please.


The general public believe that the first appeal is to state the fact as they happened, eg I have a blue badge but it slipped off the dashboard, and that POPLA then mediates in all fairness when that appeal is rejected.


The reality is that PPC's do not play fair or give any leeway (as the scheme is supposed to allow) because they are engrossed with greed.


And no where does the scheme tell people that POPLA does not consider the fairness of the rejection only the procedure.


As for the IPC IAS every regular on here knows it's a stitch up from start to finish, but Joe Public once again thinks parking attendants are nice old pensioners in white coats earning a little to supplement their pension by helping to manage car parks.


It's all a big game biased one way.

Snakes_Belly

fisherjim wrote: »

It's all very well wanting "loopholes" closing but how about the PPC's that don't even use loopholes in their own COP to entrap, or target victims, they just do as they please.


The general public believe that the first appeal is to state the fact as they happened, eg I have a blue badge but it slipped off the dashboard, and that POPLA then mediates in all fairness when that appeal is rejected.


The reality is that PPC's do not play fair or give any leeway (as the scheme is supposed to allow) because they are engrossed with greed.


And no where does the scheme tell people that POPLA does not consider the fairness of the rejection only the procedure.


As for the IPC IAS every regular on here knows it's a stitch up from start to finish, but Joe Public once again thinks parking attendants are nice old pensioners in white coats earning a little to supplement their pension by helping to manage car parks.


It's all a big game biased one way.

Very true. One of the big misconceptions that I made was that I thought the CoP's actually meant something. They are just platitudes and meaningless in court.

There are some people that are !!!!less (see below) but the majority are people who have made the most minor transgression. When a disabled badge slips of the dashboard as the disabled person gets out of the car surely this sort of thing should just be cancelled. The disability is still there.

https://www.expressandstar.com/news/local-hubs/wolverhampton/2019/05/22/two-wolverhampton-motorists-rack-up-12000-parking-fines/

NeilCr

Snakes_Belly wrote: »

There is evidence that footfall is down in the West Midlands. Some of the larger stores have now closed. This is thought to be partly down to the costs of parking.

Have you any links?

Genuinely interested.

In terms of high streets (certainly ours) the parking issues are more about the LA. They've started allowing free parking at weekends in some council owned car parks to see if that gets more folks back in town!

waamo

NeilCr wrote: »

Have you any links?

Genuinely interested.

In terms of high streets (certainly ours) the parking issues are more about the LA. They've started allowing free parking at weekends in some council owned car parks to see if that gets more folks back in town!

Here is a report commissioned for the Welsh Assembly https://gweddill.gov.wales/docs/caecd/research/2015/150610-assessing-impact-car-parking-charges-town-centre-footfall-en.pdf

It's 51 pages long though. It concluded parking charges tend to influence how long people stay and how much they spend in an area.

NeilCr

waamo wrote: »

Here is a report commissioned for the Welsh Assembly https://gweddill.gov.wales/docs/caecd/research/2015/150610-assessing-impact-car-parking-charges-town-centre-footfall-en.pdf

It's 51 pages long though. It concluded parking charges tend to influence how long people stay and how much they spend in an area.

Thank you.

:beer::beer::beer:

Very interesting.

But that does seem to be about LA parking rather than PPCs in supermarket car parks. I fully accept that LA parking charges may well affect footfall in town centres..

My fault, I think, as I wasn't clear, but as this forum is primarily about private parking charges I was more looking for evidence supporting the view that PPCs in supermarket etc car parks affect their business. I tend to think that, if that was the case, the supermarkets would do something about it.

beamerguy

I was more looking for evidence supporting the view that PPCs in supermarket etc car parks affect their business. I tend to think that, if that was the case, the supermarkets would do something about it.

I very much doubt that supermarkets have a clue. They are more interested in their competition ?

NeilCr

beamerguy wrote: »

I was more looking for evidence supporting the view that PPCs in supermarket etc car parks affect their business. I tend to think that, if that was the case, the supermarkets would do something about it.

I very much doubt that supermarkets have a clue. They are more interested in their competition ?

I'd have thought they were interested in profits too?

This article seems to me to sum up some of the main reasons supermarkets are beginning to struggle - although Aldi and Lidl are beginning to buck the trend.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/retailandconsumer/11585366/The-four-reasons-why-supermarkets-are-losing-money.html