How to enforce parking restrictions without being an a%&$ ?

Computersaysno

Put up CLAMPING signs and then put a clamp on your own vehicle...


it works really well....except for people who know clamping is illegal [and even then it creates a bit of doubt/risk in their mind which is usually effective].

hartebeestfootprint

How will ticketing help, once you have driven away the regular suspects?

Getting rid of the usual suspects will be a good start. As I've said before, I think word has gotten round that parking behind the offices isn't policed - so if I can change that by putting up new signs and maybe a running roll call of vehicles that have been fined, that's good. Obviously you can never completely eliminate the problem.

Parking firms won't be happy for your to ticket for 6 weeks based on your own rules, then once those offenders have moved on, that you want to stop because you are happy that the double parkers are now your staff.

They will send someone to ticket your staff & customers, otherwise the signage alone is not worth it for the scum.

They have a non usage fee to cover this. And if anyone is fined, I can write a letter for their appeal stating that the charge was issued in breach of contract since I would not have been the one to send in the photos.

You need little key chains/poles. It is the answer and they are easy to open for staff.

You have experience of this working where you are the person who has to disengage and re-engage chains several times a day? If draconian financial penalties don't work I may need to get to this point but it's certainly not going to be my first solution.

Put up CLAMPING signs and then put a clamp on your own vehicle...

it works really well....except for people who know clamping is illegal [and even then it creates a bit of doubt/risk in their mind which is usually effective].

The biggest issue we have is people parking in the early evening before our staff come back in for late sessions, or on Saturday mornings. There is no "own vehicle" to clamp.

fisherjim

I really think that your approach to PPC's is considering them too reasonable above board and trustworthy, as people are saying if their revenue stream isn't enough they will get devious.


They can't"fine" anyone anyway.

hartebeestfootprint

I really think that your approach to PPC's is considering them too reasonable above board and trustworthy, as people are saying if their revenue stream isn't enough they will get devious.

So your view is that while we would have a contract with the PPC, they will breach it, trespass on our property, take photos of rightfully parked vehicles, and send them enforcement notices?


The contract gives me the right to unilaterally stop any enforcment action, and if an enforcement goes to appeal, a copy of the contract together with my contractually valid cancellation of the enforcement would certainly prevail.


Do you have examples of this happening with self-ticketing services in staff-only carparks?

The_Deep

Have you read this?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07/22/hospital-staff-sick-stress-crippling-parking-fines/

beamerguy

hartebeestfootprint wrote: »

Do you have examples of this happening with self-ticketing services in staff-only carparks?

This is another one of the parking scammers, they all work the same
https://parking-prankster.blogspot.com/search?q=cel

This was not self ticketing but as you can see, after they were kicked out, they attacked the staff

Rest assured you are NOT dealing with ethical companies, they are only interested in money ..... there is no management of car parks

MistyZ

What's the signage like?

I'm allegedly fairly intelligent, my eyes work okay .... I have problems with signage. Used to think it was 'just me' till I came here and realised that the signs the PPCs use are not user-friendly.

It's an art form I reckon. I respond well to signs with a very clear & concise message that stop short of being threatening. Large font, good contrast with background, not too big but definitely not too small, really well-positioned.

You will always get the odd *rse parking regardless, but a certain percentage of offenders may simply have been insufficiently aware that they weren't allowed to park. I think that is a thing - 'insufficient awareness'. Troubles me a lot.

Umkomaas

I don't think there is anything much new not already covered in this thread. Best the OP gets on with whatever they need to do and, if they will, come back with periodic updates so we know how the eventual course of action plays out.

It's becoming like the magic roundabout!

hartebeestfootprint

Have you read this?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07/22/hospital-staff-sick-stress-crippling-parking-fines/

Not really relevant to a our staff carpark where all staff are allowed to park 24x7 and the photos are taken and submitted by the staff themselves.

I'm allegedly fairly intelligent, my eyes work okay .... I have problems with signage. Used to think it was 'just me' till I came here and realised that the signs the PPCs use are not user-friendly.

This is the one that is up at the entrance to our carpark (we share a carpark entrance with the shop next door that uses FlashPark, though the lots are separate):

http://notomob.co.uk/discussions/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4467.0;attach=5076;image
The sign seems pretty clear and straightforward. You wouldn't park under that sign and then be too surprised if you got a penalty notice in the mail unless you were in the "permitted" population, right? FlashPark requires a sign at each entrance and one sign per 3 bays, so the next door lot is plastered with them.

Umkomaas

FlashPark requires a sign at each entrance and one sign per 3 bays, so the next door lot is plastered with them.

So are your neighbours blighted by the same parking problems?

It may well be that your lack of signage might appear an 'open invitation' to anyone prepared to fly park.