How to enforce parking restrictions without being an a%&$ ?

Snakes_Belly

Scenario,

Member of staff uses spouse's car. Car ticketed and ticket falls off the windscreen. Address not updated at DVLA so don't receive any correspondence. Fast forward and the couple apply for a mortgage, loan etc, and it is declined due to a CCJ, House sale falls through. It happens

It's not the fe-kless that the PPC's damage, it's the average person whose ticket may flutter off the dashboard. The disabled person whose BB slips when they get out of the car. The people that accidentally input a digit wrong into a terminal.

beamerguy

I am hoping that the new CoP and appeals service will sort these problems out

Fruitcake

hartebeestfootprint wrote: »

Yeah right - spend £15kpa on a new employee? Or hire an enforcement company for free?

The main thing is I don't want to spend a lot of money or spend a lot of time.

Apparently each enforcement company is as bad as the next according to advice here, so I'll probably just pick one at random and make sure that the contract with them gives me sufficient rights to sack them and cancel any penalty invoices.

hartebeestfootprint wrote: »

Please scroll up to see where I've explained a few times that bollards are a poor answer to my problem.


"Know thine enemy"?

CPM Self-Ticketing Terms and Conditions (excerpt)
The Client may request the cancellation of a Parking Charge at their sole discretion within 28 days from the date the Parking Charge was issued. Should the client request the cancellation of a Parking Charge after 28 days but no later than 90 days, £2.50 cancellation fee will become payable by the client within 7 days from the date of the cancellation by the Client. No cancellation is possible after 90 days or in any case where the motorist has appealed to Independent Appeals Service (IAS). Where a parking charge has been paid, no refund will be possible.

This agreement can be terminated at any time by either party without notice, reason or penalty. All warning signs must be returned to UK Car Park Management Ltd.


I have no sympathy for people who deliberately park under a clear no parking sign and get a penalty invoice, refuse to pay it, and end up getting a CCJ. Why should anyone? (I assume you aren't referring to CPM getting a CCJ?)

Is there another part of the agreement that says the scammers will not visit the site and issue their own tickets?

Is there another part of the contract that says they will cancel the ticket if asked?

What happens if the client doesn't pay the £2.50 cancellation fee within seven days? We know these scammers rake people to court if someone even when a motorist has paid the correct amount for parking but outside grace periods, even if the amount paid is for longer than the actual parking event.
Is there another part of the contract that tells you they won't take you to court for a late payment?

twhitehousescat

Fruitcake wrote: »

Is there another part of the agreement that says the scammers will not visit the site and issue their own tickets?

Is there another part of the contract that says they will cancel the ticket if asked?

and they love there mothers , and they go to church on sundays



Parking Cos are NOT charities , they like fast cars and luxury yaughts , not cuddly kittens

The_Deep

TWHC is right, have no truck with these scammers.

hartebeestfootprint

Most motorists never see a landowner contact as the first port of call, they are already under pressure with having to appeal to UKCPM within 21 days.

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Member of staff uses spouse's car. Car ticketed and ticket falls off the windscreen. Address not updated at DVLA so don't receive any correspondence. Fast forward and the couple apply for a mortgage, loan etc, and it is declined due to a CCJ, House sale falls through. It happens

That is never going to be an issue in a staff carpark in a small company with 10 employees where everyone knows everyone, especially where the only person sending off photos of trespassing cars for enforcement is working for the company. I know what car everyone drives and will ask everyone who's in if an unfamiliar car is theirs before sending off a photo. We have no customers parking in our lot. Anyone who still somehow gets an enforcement notice knows how to contact me.

The disabled person whose BB slips when they get out of the car.

Not applicable to a private staff car park: "There are no statutory concessions for Blue Badge holders on private land" from the "knowyourparkingrights" website.

Is there another part of the agreement that says the scammers will not visit the site and issue their own tickets?

If they come onsite then they will be trespassing. The contract doesn't list out things they won't do but if I go with them I will add a clarification to this effect.

O suspect that this company will mot issue paperwork within the req 14 days , and simply issue it between day 29-56

therefore any cancellation WILL cost £2.50

If this happens it's because I screwed up and sent a photo of a car that was allowed to be there for enforcement. In that case I'm happy to pay £2.50.

As landowner you can ask for damages arising from a trespass.

What are my actual damages for the trespass? The cost of someone having to pay in the council lot around the corner, ie a few pounds? Can I add on all my legal and debt collection fees as well, and a charge at my professional hourly rate for my time to pursue the case?

Address not updated at DVLA

Well that's a £1000 fine right there.

Various people have suggested things to check or ensure are in a contract with a PPC - thanks for this, very useful. I will also obtain legal advice.

The_Deep

You seem determined to sup with the devil, we surely can do no more to dissuade you, so go ahead, get into bed with scammers, ex clampers, and white slavers.

waamo

The "going rate" for trespass is generally taken as £250. They pay all costs if you win such as court fees. The £250 a pop should nicely cover your time I would have thought.

The rate for trespass isn't set in stone, that's just what courts seem happy with. It certainly sounds better that the £100 ppc's are stuck with and a bigger deterrent. A couple of moany faces in the local rag holding up a bill for £250 may even be a huge deterrent. I'm sure a volunteer may even come forward to act as publicity.

hartebeestfootprint

waamo wrote: »

The "going rate" for trespass is generally taken as £250. They pay all costs if you win such as court fees. The £250 a pop should nicely cover your time I would have thought.

Interesting - I'll look into this a bit more. I assume evryone here is fine with going after illegal parkers for £250 a time plus hundreds in legal and debt collections fees, and chasing them though the courts and bailiffs through to CCJs or seizing their stuff if they don't pay.


Better than a £60 deterrent penalty? Especially in my specific situation where there is no chance for the PPC to issue penalties off their own bat?

waamo

If you really want to go down the legal route it's way better than a ppc and if you generate enough publicity it will discourage errant parking.

You also don't have to actually sue. A nasty letter will dissuade all but the most determined and still be easier than getting a ppc to cancel.

With the clear Micky takers then go to town, I doubt anyone would criticise genuinely protecting your land.