How to enforce parking restrictions without being an a%&$ ?

beamerguy

hartebeestfootprint wrote: »

Have you read CPM's contract for self ticketing?

I have no interest in the contract of a scammer regarding self ticketing

Just wait and watch, when people get taken to court by an incompetent solicitor acting for CPM and they don't know what to do and get a CCJ

There will be some serious hunting going on, I would not wish to be in your position

Bollards is your only answer

NeilCr

hartebeestfootprint wrote: »

As a result of this discussion my plan is to enforce via self-ticketing and motion-activated CCTV. If after a few months word hasn't got out not to park there then I'll look at other options.

If you are going to do self ticketing

a) make sure the contract doesn't in any way allow the PPC on the site

and

b) make sure you can cancel tickets and there is a long time frame to allow you to do this

Hope it works out for you whatever happens.

ETA.

It might help the OP (and others) if someone could explain the problems they may have if they enter a self ticketing only contract with a PPC. Assuming the PPC can't go on site and there is an option for OP to cancel tickets within a reasonable time frame.

hartebeestfootprint

Bollards is your only answer

Please scroll up to see where I've explained a few times that bollards are a poor answer to my problem.

I have no interest in the contract of a scammer regarding self ticketing

"Know thine enemy"?

CPM Self-Ticketing Terms and Conditions (excerpt)
The Client may request the cancellation of a Parking Charge at their sole discretion within 28 days from the date the Parking Charge was issued. Should the client request the cancellation of a Parking Charge after 28 days but no later than 90 days, £2.50 cancellation fee will become payable by the client within 7 days from the date of the cancellation by the Client. No cancellation is possible after 90 days or in any case where the motorist has appealed to Independent Appeals Service (IAS). Where a parking charge has been paid, no refund will be possible.

This agreement can be terminated at any time by either party without notice, reason or penalty. All warning signs must be returned to UK Car Park Management Ltd.

Just wait and watch, when people get taken to court by an incompetent solicitor acting for CPM and they don't know what to do and get a CCJ

I have no sympathy for people who deliberately park under a clear no parking sign and get a penalty invoice, refuse to pay it, and end up getting a CCJ. Why should anyone? (I assume you aren't referring to CPM getting a CCJ?)

beamerguy

hartebeestfootprint wrote: »

Please scroll up to see where I've explained a few times that bollards are a poor answer to my problem.


"Know thine enemy"?

CPM Self-Ticketing Terms and Conditions (excerpt)
The Client may request the cancellation of a Parking Charge at their sole discretion within 28 days from the date the Parking Charge was issued. Should the client request the cancellation of a Parking Charge after 28 days but no later than 90 days, £2.50 cancellation fee will become payable by the client within 7 days from the date of the cancellation by the Client. No cancellation is possible after 90 days or in any case where the motorist has appealed to Independent Appeals Service (IAS). Where a parking charge has been paid, no refund will be possible.

This agreement can be terminated at any time by either party without notice, reason or penalty. All warning signs must be returned to UK Car Park Management Ltd.


I have no sympathy for people who deliberately park under a clear no parking sign and get a penalty invoice, refuse to pay it, and end up getting a CCJ. Why should anyone? (I assume you aren't referring to CPM getting a CCJ?)

Wake up this ..... how would the motorist know who to complain to as the paperwork they receive comes from CPM ?
All signs shows CPM ???

The contract is rubbish and designed to confuse you.

CPM offer an appeals service with the scam IPC and if the motorist does that .... any cancellation is a BIG NO.

Are you going to proceed with such a limp contract ??

hartebeestfootprint

Wake up this ..... how would the motorist know who to complain to as the paperwork they receive comes from CPM ?
All signs shows CPM ???

Sounds good to me. I don't want the motorists hassling me, after all. This is a staff car park - no customers, no "parking max 1 hour" limits and exceptions to worry about. All the staff will know to contact me in case I accidentally issue them a penalty, and I will inform the other tenants so they are aware we will be enforcing.

Anyone else should just pay up and not do it again.

You're not suggesting that unless I make it physically impossible to park on our private property, that random drivers should be allowed to park and not experience any pain?

DoaM

KeithP wrote: »

Section 54 of Protection of Freedoms Act 2012

It starts with:

That's not what I was asking. They wouldn't be intending to prevent the vehicle from being moved, they'd move the double-parked vehicles as soon as they were reasonably able to. So not in breach of POFA.

As I asked before ... any sources/citations for people actually being charged/losing a claim in SCC for doing what was suggested?

KeithP

DoaM wrote: »

That's not what I was asking. They wouldn't be intending to prevent the vehicle from being moved, they'd move the double-parked vehicles as soon as they were reasonably able to. So not in breach of POFA.

As I asked before ... any sources/citations for people actually being charged/losing a claim in SCC for doing what was suggested?

You asked rather cryptically "Source?".

By only quoting that question in my reply, I thought you would understand that that was the question I was addressing.

beamerguy

hartebeestfootprint wrote: »

Sounds good to me. I don't want the motorists hassling me, after all. This is a staff car park - no customers, no "parking max 1 hour" limits and exceptions to worry about. All the staff will know to contact me in case I accidentally issue them a penalty, and I will inform the other tenants so they are aware we will be enforcing.

Anyone else should just pay up and not do it again.

You're not suggesting that unless I make it physically impossible to park on our private property, that random drivers should be allowed to park and not experience any pain?

OK, you must do what you want to do ?

You cannot issue them with a penalty, you are not an authority

Understanding POFA 2012 must now be your next priority if you are to proceed followed by the new code of practice

Good luck

bergkamp

hartebeestfootprint wrote: »

No, I'm happy for people who park on our property to pay for their own enforcement.

You do not want people to park on your property I thought?

Any version of the PPC model will not stop people parking in the spaces in question.

You have neighbours using self ticketing but can't even say if it is successful in stopping ' rouge '
Parker's.

You dismiss the only sure fire solution in ' bollards ' , so good luck with your mission to show PPCs are a worthwhile enterty.

silverwhistle

DoaM wrote: »

That's not what I was asking. They wouldn't be intending to prevent the vehicle from being moved, they'd move the double-parked vehicles as soon as they were reasonably able to. So not in breach of POFA.

As I asked before ... any sources/citations for people actually being charged/losing a claim in SCC for doing what was suggested?

Well, the law cited above says

intending to prevent or inhibit the removal of the vehicle by a person otherwise entitled to remove it.

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"Sorry, I just assumed you were another staff member, I've seen this car before, /innocently/ haven't you seen the signs?"