How to enforce parking restrictions without being an a%&$ ?

hartebeestfootprint

You do not want people to park on your property I thought?

Any version of the PPC model will not stop people parking in the spaces in question

If you have a source for that assertion I'd be keen to see it. My thinking is that the repeat offenders, who ignore my polite and impolite written requests not to park there again, might think again after they have to pay a stiff penalty. What makes you think they will carry on? I certainly won't park under a big enforcement sign, and I expect that will apply to most people, right?

You dismiss the only sure fire solution in ' bollards '

Not sure if you've been following the whole thread. I'm pretty sure I've mentioned that bollards are not a good option based on the size and shape of the parking area.

You have neighbours using self ticketing but can't even say if it is successful in stopping 'rouge' Parker's.

They don't seem to have any issues during the daytime when they enforce. At night they go home and don't care who parks there. Whether the fact they don't have problems while they're there is due to the fact their shopfront opens onto the parking so they have a full view of the parking, I'm not sure. We on the other hand are next door, on the first floor, and can't see the parking at all.

Are you opposed to parking enforcement in principle?

hartebeestfootprint

You cannot issue them with a penalty, you are not an authority

What I meant was, anyone who is allowed to park there, that I accidentally photograph and submit the photos to a PPC for enforcement. Sorry if that wasn't clear. They will know how to get my hold of me to cancel the penalty. Anyone who doesn't know my email address shouldn't have parked there, and can pay up and therefore be deterred from parking there again.

Others on the thread have suggested that I write to the DVLA for the keeper details and actually do the enforcement myself, which sounds like a lot of work and potentially means we would need to register as a PPC, join an industry body, set of an appeals process etc - which is just ridiculous.

waamo

. Others on the thread have suggested that I write to the DVLA for the keeper details and actually do the enforcement myself, which sounds like a lot of work and potentially means we would need to register as a PPC, join an industry body, set of an appeals process etc - which is just ridiculous.

You do not need to register as a ppc or have an appeals process. As landowner you can ask for damages arising from a trespass. The DVLA will happily give the registered keepers details in those circumstances. There are numerous organisations such as hospitals and industrial estates that do this.

You actually have more power as landowner than a ppc. Once you know the ppc system you know how to avoid paying. What do you think this forum does? Eventually repeat transgressors who know the system get "whitelisted" by the ppc. The ppc know it's pointless chasing them.

Demanding compensation for trespassing is a whole different ball game and much more difficult to avoid. Repeat offenders can be slapped with an injunction making it a criminal offence to park at the premises in future. Not only that they pay for that privilege. That's something a ppc can't do.

Umkomaas

hartebeestfootprint wrote: »

I have no sympathy for people who deliberately park under a clear no parking sign and get a penalty invoice, refuse to pay it, and end up getting a CCJ. Why should anyone? (I assume you aren't referring to CPM getting a CCJ?)

You need to read this forum alone about the anguish that CCJs cause. Many have been issued because of reasons outside of and beyond the recipient's control (often nothing to do with 'refusing to pay' the charge), issued by a venal industry, interested in little else than demonstrating ruthlessness and vengeance - whatever the cost to its victims.

People can't get loans, mortgages, some have lost their homes, their jobs and their livelihoods as a result of a CCJ coming to their notice out of the blue.

CCJs are simply not a small ratcheting up of the parking charge, and shouldn't be seen as one of 'the options'.

Come and help advise some of the dreadfully sorry CCJ cases we deal with here, which are complicated and expensive to unravel, and I suspect your seeming indifference to being a potentially contributing factor to their issue might be somewhat revised.

I think waamo's advice above is well worth consideration as an alternative to you descending into the murky and sordid world of the private parking industry.

If you lie with dogs, you get fleas!

fisherjim

Why don't you put out a couple of tender invitations to a couple of PPC's but make no commitments with them, and post their business proposals/T&C's on here so the regulars can sift through and point out the flaws and pitfalls?


I suspect that you mind is already swayed towards the PPC route.

DoaM

KeithP wrote: »

You asked rather cryptically "Source?".

By only quoting that question in my reply, I thought you would understand that that was the question I was addressing.

I meant my post to be taken as a whole. The second sentence qualified the meaning of Source.

DoaM

silverwhistle wrote: »

"Sorry, I just assumed you were another staff member, I've seen this car before, /innocently/ haven't you seen the signs?"

At least someone else "gets it".

twhitehousescat

fisherjim wrote: »

Why don't you put out a couple of tender invitations to a couple of PPC's but make no commitments with them, and post their business proposals/T&C's on here so the regulars can sift through and point out the flaws and pitfalls?


I suspect that you mind is already swayed towards the PPC route.

the previous quote

CPM Self-Ticketing Terms and Conditions (excerpt)
The Client may request the cancellation of a Parking Charge at their sole discretion within 28 days from the date the Parking Charge was issued. Should the client request the cancellation of a Parking Charge after 28 days but no later than 90 days, £2.50 cancellation fee will become payable by the client within 7 days from the date of the cancellation by the Client. No cancellation is possible after 90 days or in any case where the motorist has appealed to Independent Appeals Service (IAS). Where a parking charge has been paid, no refund will be possible.

as we all know IAS companies do not give a hoot about POFa and treat "anpr" type cases as they wish

O suspect that this company will mot issue paperwork within the req 14 days , and simply issue it between day 29-56

therefore any cancellation WILL cost £2.50

as per other companies , but not shown in that excert , I suspect there will be a weekly/monthly limit to cancellations

The_Deep

No cancellation is possible after 90 days or in any case where the motorist has appealed to Independent Appeals Service (IAS). Where a parking charge has been paid, no refund will be possible.

Personally, with this sort of T&C, I would not touch them. You are leaving your customers and staff wide open to harassment.

Umkomaas

No cancellation is possible after 90 days or in any case where the motorist has appealed to Independent Appeals Service (IAS).

Most motorists never see a landowner contact as the first port of call, they are already under pressure with having to appeal to UKCPM within 21 days. They assume the PPC has a fair and transparent appeals process, and if that fails, they naively progress to the IAS. Then any hope of a landowner cancellation has gone - even if you want to cancel.