Economy 10 meter change Eon

captainkirk

Yes scones, that's exactly the set up we have, one phase is for the heating and hot water and the other for the rest of the power - apparently it is a bit of a peculiarity to the area but it's definitely two phase - Eastern Electricity (as they were were 30 years ago) changed the supply when we had an extension and put in storage heaters.

scones

There do seem to have been a lot of weird and wonderful regional peculiarities back in the 1980s and 1990s. Many of them actually seem quite useful - seems quite a shame the modern competitive setup can't handle them!

captainkirk

Do you think that they will be able to put in one meter under that system scones? Will a three-phase meter work with two separate phases?

Carrot007

captainkirk wrote: »

Do you think that they will be able to put in one meter under that system scones? Will a three-phase meter work with two separate phases?

Yes it would, but are you sure you have or need 2 phases? It was said above you have 2 incoming wires, eg, live and neutral, not 2 phases.


A polyphase meter will also work off a singkle phase. But it is just wasting money fitting one there.

Mister_G

Carrot007 wrote: »

Yes it would, but are you sure you have or need 2 phases? It was said above you have 2 incoming wires, eg, live and neutral, not 2 phases.


A polyphase meter will also work off a singkle phase. But it is just wasting money fitting one there.

OP has now said that he has three wires coming in.

captainkirk

Thanks for the information, it's much appreciated - I did originally say we had two wires but there are three and scones description is right about the set up we have.

thorganby

captainkirk wrote: »

Do you think that they will be able to put in one meter under that system scones? Will a three-phase meter work with two separate phases?

You really are overthinking this and still don't understand what your supplier is doing!

Clue - Simpler metering.

It is not your concern how it is achieved, what meter they choose to fit, smart or dumb.

You do not need two phases, you will not have two phases, one standard single phase 100A feed to one meter is all that is required.

Your legacy restricted hour tariff along with your complex meter set up will cease to be like the dead parrot that it is.

There really is no decision for you to make unless you want to be ripped off on a totally uncompetitive overpriced E10 tariff.

Most users of storage heaters use E7.

Requesting an E7 meter, which will control your heating is the only sensible option.

You will then be free to switch to any supplier offering a competitive tariff once the new meter has been fitted and get cashback for each switch.

What are you waiting for!

captainkirk

I don't wish to be difficult Thorganby but I fully understand what the supplier is doing and I'm all for a simpler metering system - something they could have done when they put a new meter in three years or so back but chose not to because of the two phases - they took one look and left it as it was, just putting in a new meter for the night and day rate - the meter that carries the storage heaters and hot water is still a very old black one with numbers churning round. I understand the difference between economy 10 and economy 7 but as Sandydog says above economy 10 works far better with storage heaters especially ones where they are regulated to only charge based on the temperature - that's why the afternoon and evening boost is really good for them and it never gets cold as it used to when we originally had economy 7 many years ago.

I'm all for them putting in one meter, that's great but I can't see how they are allowed to put the prices up over 40% for what is essentially the same tariff except with one meter instead of two, yes we might get a few things cheaper in the extra hours but there's nothing useful really that would we gain in the extra times as all our washing and dishwasher etc. is done now under the low night rate - so we, like many others are losing out considerably.

As for the two phases, which we definitely have - if Eastern electricity insisted that the one 100 amp phase wasn't enough 30 years ago why would it be enough today - how are we switching to one phase all of a sudden with even more demands on the system than there originally was?

thorganby

captainkirk wrote: »

I don't wish to be difficult Thorganby but I fully understand what the supplier is doing and I'm all for a simpler metering system - something they could have done when they put a new meter in three years or so back but chose not to because of the two phases - they took one look and left it as it was, just putting in a new meter for the night and day rate - the meter that carries the storage heaters and hot water is still a very old black one with numbers churning round. I understand the difference between economy 10 and economy 7 but as Sandydog says above economy 10 works far better with storage heaters especially ones where they are regulated to only charge based on the temperature - that's why the afternoon and evening boost is really good for them and it never gets cold as it used to when we originally had economy 7 many years ago.

I'm all for them putting in one meter, that's great but I can't see how they are allowed to put the prices up over 40% for what is essentially the same tariff except with one meter instead of two, yes we might get a few things cheaper in the extra hours but there's nothing useful really that would we gain in the extra times as all our washing and dishwasher etc. is done now under the low night rate - so we, like many others are losing out considerably.

As for the two phases, which we definitely have - if Eastern electricity insisted that the one 100 amp phase wasn't enough 30 years ago why would it be enough today - how are we switching to one phase all of a sudden with even more demands on the system than there originally was?

Again most of what you have posted is irrelevant waffle.

eon have made a business decision that It is going to happen and the blindingly obvious option to switch to an E7 meter won't be any different in three months time.

Businesses can charge you what they like, so get the meter changed by them now and then find the best possible deal on the market, as eon obviously don't want your custom.

You may think that you understand but you clearly do not, if you believe that a single phase 100A supply is insufficient for your needs!

captainkirk

I'm very good at irrelevant waffle ��

The question still stands though, if we don't need two phases and one 100 amp is enough why did the electricity board put it in - I don't believe its not enough, they do/did!