Will Brexit happen?

MobileSaver

Thrugelmir wrote: »

The majority voted to leave.

A tiny majority voted to leave.

As I said, in hindsight, if a super-majority had been needed to enact change we wouldn't be in the mess we are now. Do you disagree with this statement?

Thrugelmir

MobileSaver wrote: »

A tiny majority voted to leave.

1.2 million to be precise.

The mess exists because people aren't accepting majority decisions. Society is broken. Personal interests come first.

AndyCF

Someone asked me (I missed the post at the time) what percentage I thought we would have, in respect of when I said something along the lines of "MP's here can pass whatever laws they wish to force us to ask for an extension, but there's no certainty we would get one"

To answer the question I'd say probably 75% certainty they would give us an extension after a bit of negotiation perhaps. Moreso in that for each month we extend we pay a certain sum to them for our subscription as such, so I suppose in some respects it is financially in their interests for us to have an extension, to a point anyway. I suppose they reach a point where the benefits of us paying x per month to them are not sufficient for all the headache it is causing them.

I can see certain conditions being strictly attached to said extension though somehow, such as its for 6 months perhaps such as 'no early finish' in that even if we reached a decision ( lol? ) we could not 'apply' it until after those months.

I can see them asking the purpose of the extension though!

Although I do not agree too much with a few things that have been said in this thread and by politicians Boris did say something on the news a few days ago which struck a bit of a chord somehow "dither and delay" , as in if we did get an extension what would we do with it aside from endless debate and waste time ?

MP's tried their own solutions last time and could not come up with an answer.

I do wonder however if the vote had gone the other way, as in remain had 'won' (let us be honest there are no winners though) , the 'leavers' would likely of been told to shut up forever. Maybe.

The thought of a referendum again does not appeal as it seems a case of "keep asking until you get the answer you want" although as rightly pointed out perhaps, some may not of been aware of the potential consequences of no deal.

I suppose one solution here is to say "yes you can have another referendum, the options are 'no deal' or 'deal' " , note the lack of remain.

I do not really think anyone can be fully aware of the consequences of no deal though as its not been done before and there is an awful lot of fake information floating about. I do not myself see a huge issue unless people act too much like sheep and panic buy needlessly, mind you some do this near xmas for some reason (almost as fi everywhere was closed for a week instead of 2 days!) , you may struggle perhaps to get "brand x" of something but said item will likely be available.

I'm disturbed a bit by the lack of produce actually grown here too, no doubt cheaper imports are/were to blame for this to some degree. Given modern tech for things these days it should in theory be possible to grow almost anything 'here' , albeit at a cost. Perhaps the market will decide this in that people will only be willing to pay x for an item eventually. I do wonder if the previous governments are partly to blame for this as the economy sseemed to switch to more a service one rather than a manufacturing one, although from looking at news clips from the 70's and the like, it seemed the excess greed was on all sides. British Leyland being a good example of this, who was to blame for that = they all were unfortunately.

I've not seen 'the other side' of the above I've only seen what I thought was slightly disturbing in that some might worry they could not get 'posh brand x' rather than a regular brand (with choices of at least half a dozen!) of certain items, or worried that the cost of out of season asparagus would be even more!


One slightly off topic thought here perhaps someone can answer as I have not been able to get a sane answer at all: The places that do fruit picking and the like, those that say they will struggle after exit to get or retain staff ? I do not understand this at all as those already here (assuming the employer is not already employing them illegally!) can remain if they wish. There should be people here (if they did leave) to do said jobs anyway if required, unless said employer is again up to no good (possibly paying well below min wage or something) ?

^ The above question is completely genuine. I cannot quite fathom how there could be a problem with getting staff to do this unless there is something else going on. Perhaps I am mis-understanding it.


On a very serious note, let us say we did leave without a deal next month. Would we be able to freely rejoin in say 5-10-15 years ? I realise they would probably want to attach some (possibly) outrageous conditions to it , but it was suggested to me they would refuse our admission again, I can't really see that myself though ?

qwert_yuiop

Thrugelmir wrote: »

The majority voted to leave. If Corbyn is elected with 30% of the vote. Does that mean we should have a rerun.........

We get a rerun every few years with a government, and we evict the pm from number 10 if we don’t like him (or her). This brexit is for life and not just for Christmas.

Thrugelmir

qwert_yuiop wrote: »

We get a rerun every few years with a government, and we evict the pm from number 10 if we don’t like him (or her). This brexit is for life and not just for Christmas.

The damage caused can still last decades. The legacy from the Brown era is far from over. Amateurs playing with peoples lives to fulfill their dreams isn't what we need at the moment.

lvader

Apparently Labours policy on Brexit is to renegotiate, have a new referendum and campaign against its own deal and remain. 😂

Takedap

prowla wrote: »

It might focus the mind of the UK politicians of the EU said "no".

I suppose that to comply with the law, BoJo could ask for the extension but stating that he was only doing it because he had been forced to & if the EU accepted it then the UK would just mess them around forever.


The ball would then be in their court as to whether they granted the extension or not.

Takedap

lvader wrote: »

Apparently Labours policy on Brexit is to renegotiate, have a new referendum and campaign against its own deal and remain. 😂

Or maybe to campaign for Remain but have a back-up plan already in place in case the country still wanted to leave?


(Shame that Emily Thornberry wasn't quick enough to come up with this!)

MobileSaver

Thrugelmir wrote: »

1.2 million to be precise.

Yes, less than 2% of the population, so a tiny majority by any measure even if you are a rabid Brexiteer.

MobileSaver wrote: »

if a super-majority had been needed to enact change we wouldn't be in the mess we are now. Do you disagree with this statement?

As you have repeatedly chosen to ignore this part I think we can all take it as read that you agree a super-majority would have alleviated many of the problems we now have.

AndyCF

Thrugelmir wrote: »

The damage caused can still last decades. The legacy from the Brown era is far from over. Amateurs playing with peoples lives to fulfill their dreams isn't what we need at the moment.

Unfortunately I can concur on that point. I'll not go into it here as it will likely take this topic off-topic. Lets just say they were "OK"(ish) for their first term then it started to go downhill at an alarming pace.

On topic, I saw a bit earlier on the 'text line' on the BBC News site (I hate that newer vertical thing they have done actually) saying it was possible*** that Boris could potentially face a prison term ( ? ) if he refused to delay Brexit aka contempt of court if ordered to go to seek the delay ? Usual news sites as well as that one will no doubt have some info online.

*** I say possible, it would seem highly unlikely though, if it really did come down to it (unlikely) I'd expect a suspended to be handed out rather than some 'free bed+board'


I'm curious however if someone did go and ask for another extension if the EU would simply say "OK, but you've had some already, what assurances do we have that you're not going to waste this one too?"

On a different note, could another member of government 'go' and ask for the extension. I sort of note the wording in that Boris said *he* would not go and ask for an extension, but nothing that would stop say other senior cabinet ministers from going to ask instead perhaps...