Appealing a fine & points?

JustAnotherSaver

Basically, can you appeal a fine & points or is it a case of once it's decided it's decided?


As you'll need more info than that i'll give a run down of the events last night but drop down to the bit in red if you want the shortened version...


Bob sold his car. Immediately upon selling the car Bob switched his insurance over to his second car, declared the sold car SORN and taxed the second car he had. All is legal so far.


Bob goes out the next night but is stopped by police for no insurance. Bob is fully compliant with the police. This is where i come in -
Bob calls me to see if i can forward proof of insurance to him as the police are saying it's not insured. I ask about tax & they say it's not taxed either. I forward photos of the updated insurance document and the email saying it's been taxed.


This is where it starts to go a bit bad for Bob. He says the passenger cop appears a totally decent guy whereas the driver is a bonk (the good old good-cop-bad-cop routine).
I'd sent the tax first. This was shown to the 'bad cop' driver who threw the phone back at him - "that's no good to me" he says.



Uhh hang on a second, there's a pay reference number & you'll have contact details for the DVLA so how is it 'no good'? Anyway...


He then shows the insurance which is accepted. He asks what's happening regards the tax and is told "it doesn't matter now".


The passenger cop goes to let Bob go only for the driver to say hold on i haven't finished with him yet. They go to alcohol & drug swab him, the driver cop gives him a hard time over it trying to make out like he's panicking & sweating (he wasn't & wasn't) ... passed the test.


Passenger cop goes to let him go again & is told not to again. They run the licence which tells them he needs glasses to drive .... £100 fine & 3 points.



Now Bob can't for the life of him think how his licence says he needs glasses to drive as he didn't think he did. He can and has passed the 'number plate test' with ease. He's taken driving lessons & tests since the car test (HGV & motorbike) without wearing glasses & passed the eye sight test for those no problem.



Where he thinks it may have happened is at the time of passing his HGV test, his boss was giving him a hard time over wearing glasses & he wonders if on any form that was filled out at the time whether his boss had filled it out to say he needs glasses or whether he made Bob tick a box saying so (although he can't remember if this was the case). Even if that was true, the boss would never admit to it if they even remembered it. He just can't understand why it's on his licence.


So today he's managed to get in at the opticians and the result is that he does not need glasses to drive ... "no prescription necessary".



So where does he stand regards this £100 fine & 3 points? Is it a case of, it was on the licence yesterday so it applied yesterday even though it wasn't correct & you'll have to take the hit but from today you don't need glasses


Or can he appeal it somehow?




Or if there's a forum better suited for this then please point me in that direction.

Thanks.

robatwork

There wasn't a bit in red to drop down to.

The facts are that Bob's licence said he needed glasses at the time he was stopped, and the police acted correctly in issuing the fine.

But did Bob not get the chance to accept the points or go to court? - he should have chose court.

JustAnotherSaver

robatwork wrote: »

There wasn't a bit in red to drop down to.

Are you sure about that? I'm on a PC & it shows on here fine. Not sure about mobiles.

The facts are that Bob's licence said he needed glasses at the time he was stopped, and the police acted correctly in issuing the fine.

I wondered if that'd be the case but it's always worth an ask.

But did Bob not get the chance to accept the points or go to court? - he should have chose court.

I'll find out.

Mercdriver

JustAnotherSaver wrote: »

Are you sure about that? I'm on a PC & it shows on here fine. Not sure about mobiles.

I wondered if that'd be the case but it's always worth an ask.


I'll find out.

I don't see the red shortened version either - I am not using a mobile.

System

Code on driving licence for glasses being a requirement and not driving wearing glasses = driving other than accordance with the licence.

What he had to fill in and tick for his boss is irrelevant, that doesn't go to DVLA. What will have gone to DVLA is his HGV medical which would have stated he wore glasses which you state in the post he did as his boss had given him grief.

JustAnotherSaver

Mercdriver wrote: »

I don't see the red shortened version either - I am not using a mobile.

Not quite sure what's going on then i'm afraid.



Unless of course we're being finicky here, but then that doesn't happen on MSE :A so it must be something else...


The way i see it - i put that in red & later on put another piece of text in red. If you want to bypass the text between the two pieces of text in red (and therefore make the whole reading experience shorter by skipping a big chunk!!) then you can do.


Basically i'm making it appealing to both sides (or at least trying to). See, when you get to the point people generally get upset and say - how can we possibly help you, we want all the juicy info, we want to know what you did 10 years prior to the event.
And when you give the full info people say - i'm not reading all that, that's way too much, just get to the point.


So you end up covering both bases ... and still have people making a deal of it :rotfl:


Moral of the story - people are never happy.




Anyway, back on topic, he says that the police told him it'll come through the post and he can appeal it if he wants.

So i'm assuming the appeal process means court then. Having never been in the situation myself i don't know the ins and outs of these things.

facade

The red bit is just "They run the licence", then you read from there I think.


Get Bob to register with Peppipoo and post there, they will help,

but they prefer to have the story first hand.

kev25v6

Tell them he was wearing daily contact lenses at the time.

TadleyBaggie

You can’t appeal a fixed penalty. You either accept it or take it to court.

JustAnotherSaver

Tarambor wrote: »

Code on driving licence for glasses being a requirement and not driving wearing glasses = driving other than accordance with the licence.

What he had to fill in and tick for his boss is irrelevant, that doesn't go to DVLA. What will have gone to DVLA is his HGV medical which would have stated he wore glasses which you state in the post he did as his boss had given him grief.

That's an interesting one.


How would they have known he wore glasses though?


For example, i'm wearing glasses right now as i need them for when i'm on the PC, but it's the only time in the day that i do need them. So when i go driving i don't need or wear them. When i go to work i don't need or wear them. Indeed the people i work with wouldn't even known i wear glasses while sat at a PC.



But if i was interested in becoming a HGV driver, they'd find out??




What i said in the post is that the boss gave him a hard time yes but that's all it said. Like when kids take the piddle out of the next kid for being different - such as wearing glasses.
So when he was at the time prescribed glasses for reading and told his boss about it, his boss took the piddle. Bob never wore glasses for work. His boss was trying to be controlling and saying that he should. In fact his boss said he should wear them permanently, i even remember him saying that to me, yet it was never the optician who said that.

JustAnotherSaver

facade wrote: »

The red bit is just "They run the licence", then you read from there I think.

Top man (or woman) ^^

Get Bob to register with Peppipoo and post there, they will help,

but they prefer to have the story first hand.

Thanks.