Speed limiters mandatory in new cars from 2022

brewerdave

So in 2022 buy a nearly new, low mileage car without the systems fitted and drive it for 12+ years - looking around my area there are loads of pre 2006 cars still being used - there will still be people driving cars without the bells and whistles in 2040 when ,I believe, all sales of new petrol/diesel cars should have stopped?
What it will do is inflate the second hand prices for a few years after 2022!

Furthermore, having had a car with inbuilt SatNav which packed up - are they going to make a working Sat Nav part of the MOT test??

brewerdave

Further thought - systems like those discussed cannot be retrofitted - so what a (bigger) mess our roads will be a few years after 2022!
Personally I have nothing against some form of effective speed controls being introduced AS LONG AS they are proven and reliable - car electronics are not famous for being 100% reliable!!

AdrianC

brewerdave wrote: »

Furthermore, having had a car with inbuilt SatNav which packed up - are they going to make a working Sat Nav part of the MOT test??

Speaking of which... Pre-2010 satnavs are likely to need a software update in the next week to continue working. The date format contains 10 bits, and that rolls over imminently. In 2010, the standard changed to store 13 bits.

If the nav manufacturer no longer supports that device, it'll be a paperweight.

https://uk.pcmag.com/news/119620/your-gps-devices-may-stop-working-on-april-6

NBLondon

poppasmurf_bewdley wrote: »

So basically, my present car has pretty much a similar thing already? I can choose between Cruise Control or Speed Limiter, the latter preventing me from exceeding a certain set speed. The only difference being that the proposed device will automatically detect the speed limit in force?

EssexExile wrote: »

My car knows what the speed limit is without reading any signs all through the magic of GPS. My car also has a speed limiter, I'm surprised they haven't already combined the two.

I have this - on a 2011 Ford Focus. I think I've used it a handful of times. I do sometimes use Cruise Control to keep to a 50mph limit on a dual carriageway or in motorway roadworks. Half the time I end up having to disengage it when the twonk in front sees a camera and slows from 60 to 45 for 3 seconds before accelerating again. Speed Limiter allows me to ease off instead - but I can't rest my foot. Not much difference... But I can see some use for every car having it in that scenario - as a way to enforce a temporary speed limit which is there for safety reasons. You'd need a foolproof way of signalling the change as it wouldn't be in GPS. Big signs I hear some of you say

Car_54

Apodemus wrote: »

...and will be the death knell for the Hollywood car-chase scene!

... only if the US joins the EU.

motorguy

brewerdave wrote: »

So in 2022 buy a nearly new, low mileage car without the systems fitted and drive it for 12+ years - looking around my area there are loads of pre 2006 cars still being used - there will still be people driving cars without the bells and whistles in 2040 when ,I believe, all sales of new petrol/diesel cars should have stopped?
What it will do is inflate the second hand prices for a few years after 2022!

Furthermore, having had a car with inbuilt SatNav which packed up - are they going to make a working Sat Nav part of the MOT test??

Thats pretty much where i'll be on it. By 2022 i'll be 52, buy the most powerful, unrestricted petrol car i can, run it for 12+ years and then potter about in my later years in some little electric car. :beer:

motorguy

On the plus side, it will mean the 45MPH Freddy's who go everywhere at 45MPH - motorways, dual carriageways, towns, will actually have to slow to to 40MPH and then 30MPH for a change, so not all bad news.

But i do forsee - as some have said - situations whereby because the car is "letting" them do say, 40MPH then its ok for them to do so. For example, 40MPH past a school could be perfectly legal, but not at all wise. "Well my car said it was OK to do that speed".

Mercdriver

motorguy wrote: »

On the plus side, it will mean the 45MPH Freddy's who go everywhere at 45MPH - motorways, dual carriageways, towns, will actually have to slow to to 40MPH and then 30MPH for a change, so not all bad news.

Do you think it is going to be that sophisticated? I suspect it will be more blunt than that in that the top speed will be limited to lower speed than it is now. Many hybrids have a top speed of around 111mph. I wouldn't mind betting that is where it will be levied.

Having a speed limiter that is dependent on GPS and GPS based information is too liable to be incorrect and someone would have to take responsibility for it. Aint gonna happen.

baza52

i read it would read the road speed signs to determine the speed limit for the road your on and not by using GPS.

hareng

motorguy wrote: »

On the plus side, it will mean the 45MPH Freddy's who go everywhere at 45MPH - motorways, dual carriageways, towns, will actually have to slow to to 40MPH and then 30MPH for a change, so not all bad news.

But i do forsee - as some have said - situations whereby because the car is "letting" them do say, 40MPH then its ok for them to do so. For example, 40MPH past a school could be perfectly legal, but not at all wise. "Well my car said it was OK to do that speed".

Think you will find theyve made plenty of roads outside schools One Way , why because apparently kids dont look right and left.

Same scenario, do gooders that havent a decent driving skill but passed their test are a menace, thats why certain signs and speed limits are constantly being lowered. After all these speed limits were set in place in the 60's when car braking was very poor to the extent you could physically just use the handbrake for same performance. Yet speed limits lowered on the assumption something may happen.


Dont get me started on idiots trickling down motorway slip road at their speed and expect everyone else to make amends. Theres times where its safer to break the speed limit than slow down or even stop.