Speed limiters mandatory in new cars from 2022

stator

chrisw wrote: »

'The Department for Transport said the system would also apply in the UK, despite Brexit.'

Unless politicians decide not to. There will be at least one change of government before 2022.


What's more worrying is the requirement for a black box, spying on every driver.

Penelopa.Pitstop

Most cars already have black box. They record speed and other events in the car. Just read manual for my new car, 2016 model.

Here's excerpt from manual:
"RECORDING OF VEHICLE DATA
This vehicle is equipped with a computer which records the following main vehicle data related to vehicle controls, operation, and other driving conditions.
Recorded data
- Vehicle conditions such as engine speed and vehicle speed.
- Driving operation conditions such as accelerator and brake pedals, and
information related to the environmental circumstances while the vehicle is driven.
- Malfunction diagnosis information from each on-vehicle computer.
- Information related to controls of other on-vehicle computers.
The recorded data may vary depending on the vehicle grade and optional
equipment. Voice and images are not recorded."

"Data handling
FCA and its subcontracting parties may obtain and use the recorded data for vehicle malfunction diagnosis, research and development, and quality improvement.
FCA will not disclose or provide any of the obtained data to a third party
unless:
-an agreement from the vehicle owner (agreements from lessor and lessee for leased vehicle) is obtained;
-officially requested by the police or other law enforcement authorities;
- for statistical processing by a research institution after processing the
data so that identification of the owner or the vehicle is impossible."

If it goes through, I will make sure to get a new car without these "improvements". I don't want the car to control me, I want to control the car.

The whole idea of using GPS and road sign recognition to control speed, sounds very bad. Navigations are often outdated and sign recognition reads random info from the road. And in Switzerland it could be more fun when non-motorway traffic is parrarel to motorway. The only thing separating both could be fence.

Car_54

stator wrote: »

Unless politicians decide not to. There will be at least one change of government before 2022.

What's more worrying is the requirement for a black box, spying on every driver.

To "spy" on the driver, the government needs to have access to the data. The insurers do that using the mobile phone networks, which costs money. The government are not going to be doing that for "every driver".

Car_54

AdrianC wrote: »

What could possibly go wrong there...?

I'd like to hope that it'll be based on detailed mapping, at least in addition to sign-reading. Realistically, this is all functionality that's built in to many modern satnavs. And, as we all know, they're absolutely infallible. Oh, yes. 100% accurate 100% of the time. Mmmhmmm. Updated constantly. Yup, definitely. Never out of date in any way. No, sir.

OK, the map data will never be 100% up-do-date. However, almost all speed limit changes are downward, so the worst that can happen is that the speed limiter thinks a road is still 40 when it is now 30. If the driver relies on the limiter, instead of the signs, he will get nicked. And serve him right.

AdrianC

And what happens on newly-built roads? Or the exceptions (and, yes, they do exist) to that "almost all"?


If you don't think drivers will rely on the limiter instead of the signs, almost instantly and entirely, then you do not begin to understand basic human nature.

DoaM

Penelopa.Pitstop wrote: »

FCA and its subcontracting parties

FCA? Financial Conduct Authority?

Oh, you have a Fiat. (Fiat Chrysler Automobiles)

fred246

I think it's great news. I have always thought that technology was the way to reduce death and injuries on the road. Can you imagine a pilot saying "take that black box out of my plane. I want to break all the rules and not get caught." If a collision occurs law enforcement agencies should have access to all the data possible to determine the cause of the collision.

DUTR

fred246 wrote: »

I think it's great news. I have always thought that technology was the way to reduce death and injuries on the road. Can you imagine a pilot saying "take that black box out of my plane. I want to break all the rules and not get caught." If a collision occurs law enforcement agencies should have access to all the data possible to determine the cause of the collision.

The deaths/accidents are not due to lots breaking the speed limit though.
I guess insurance premiums will be vastly reduced for such vehicles?
And for all for that matter.

Herzlos

stator wrote: »

Unless politicians decide not to. There will be at least one change of government before 2022.

If customers targetting European markets don't want to make extra changes for the UK (beyond the RHD/LHD), then we might find we're getting it anyway. It's already a feature for some cars.

Supersonos wrote: »

Correct - most likely by reading signs.

It'll be a combination of reading signs and GPS.

Car_54

AdrianC wrote: »

If you don't think drivers will rely on the limiter instead of the signs, almost instantly and entirely, then you do not begin to understand basic human nature.

What did I say to suggest that? My point was that relying on the limiter (which will undoubtedly happen) might have unpleasant consequences for the driver.


There is no doubt that the system will not be 100% perfect. The question is whether it will be better than the present one which relies entirely on humans, who exceed speed limits daily in huge numbers.