Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

phillw

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

I hardly think it is project fear considering how much it has changed since we last had a chance to vote on it.

What has changed is it's becoming even clearer that leaving is a bad move.

But yeah, if you are one of the project fear lot then leaving the EU still probably seems like a good idea. Because of the fear.

Fran_Klee wrote: »

From senior EU figures finger-wagging and telling us they will make us suffer to threats of war it's pretty obvious who your real project fear has been targeting.

Project fear built a straw man so they could knock it down with more fear.

MiserlyMartin

Arklight wrote: »

According to Toynbee, Saturday is the tipping point where enough elderly leavers have died as for the ones still hanging on to be outnumbered by young Remainers.
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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jan/17/saturday-uk-remain-parliament-force-second-referendum

Ah the Guardian, the dreamer fantasy 'news'paper for all marxist Labour supporters and remainers. In great taste as usual wishing people dead, that theory, but wrong. Over 3 and a half years on from the referendum we also have a constant stream of people that are now older which means remainers coming of age and being wiser, meaning more and more remainers changing their minds to leave every day.

As the EU continue to show their contempt for this country, by the way they treat our MP's and prime ministers and they way they behave more and more remainers have switched to leave.


This theory also assumes that all young people are remain, which is not the case.

MiserlyMartin

Herzlos wrote: »

If the economy is doing great and there's so many jobs available, why is food bank use on the increase?

Food banks are charities and a big business now. Charities are now businesses with highly paid staff especially managers and tax favourable operations.


The stigma is decreasing. Plus people on benefits, poor money or just terrible with money management tend to smoke, drink, have expensive cars, TVs with full Sky TV subscriptions etc - all non essentials then wonder why they haven't got any money left to feed the kids.
I'm poor - food bank here we come!

Herzlos

That's just not how foodbanks work. I dont believe for a second people are just using them for the hell of it, plus indent know of any where the staff take any money beyond expenses.

Herzlos

MiserlyMartin wrote: »

As the EU continue to show their contempt for this country, by the way they treat our MP's and prime ministers and they way they behave more and more remainers have switched to leave.

Can you cite any if these people that switched to leaver?


[quite]This theory also assumes that all young people are remain, which is not the case.[/QUOTE]
No it assumes that young people are more likely to vote remain, because they are. When the only demographic with a strong leave majority is 65+ then time isn't in your favour.

Enterprise_1701C

phillw wrote: »

What has changed is it's becoming even clearer that leaving is a bad move.

But yeah, if you are one of the project fear lot then leaving the EU still probably seems like a good idea. Because of the fear.



Project fear built a straw man so they could knock it down with more fear.

Seriously, you want a list of what has changed since the last vote? Bearing in mind I was talking about the one in 1975.

EVERYTHING.

It has moved from a free trade organisation to a political behemoth with desires to become a us of e!! It is unrecognisable to someone from the seventies in it's current form. And the inability of the people that are attempting to run it has increased and is increasing further.

Sailtheworld

MiserlyMartin wrote: »

Food banks are charities and a big business now. Charities are now businesses with highly paid staff especially managers and tax favourable operations.

The stigma is decreasing. Plus people on benefits, poor money or just terrible with money management tend to smoke, drink, have expensive cars, TVs with full Sky TV subscriptions etc - all non essentials then wonder why they haven't got any money left to feed the kids.
I'm poor - food bank here we come!

Of course the creation of food banks will create a demand but it's a Tory fantasy to think they're mainly serving people who rock up in a flash car pick up some free food and then go home and get drunk whilst watching Sky on a 80" TV.

Where does this Worldview come from?

Sailtheworld

Dee_Best wrote: »

It's growing more than Germany is (double, in fact).
It's growing more that Italy (by about a factor of 10)
Are they trying to leave the EU too then?

Shouldn't the comparison be the UK that voted to leave the EU vs the one that didn't?

The trouble is you're comparing apples with pears. Not a problem for you because you're a 'if the sun rises then brexit is a success' kind of guy.

Germany and Italy aren't trying to leave the EU because they don't want to be worse off than they otherwise would have been either.

Surely we're past the idea that brexit is going to be good for the economy - it's just not credible.

Herzlos

Sailtheworld wrote: »

Of course the creation of food banks will create a demand but it's a Tory fantasy to think they're mainly serving people who rock up in a flash car pick up some free food and then go home and get drunk whilst watching Sky on a 80" TV.

Where does this Worldview come from?

The cognitive dissonance that being poor is a choice and thus their fault for being poor rather than someone who needs help, or that they in fact could land in that position.

Victim blaming is a good way to keep a clear conscience in face of the reality.

Thrugelmir

Sailtheworld wrote: »

Germany and Italy aren't trying to leave the EU because they don't want to be worse off than they otherwise would have been either.

Germany has enjoyed a period of boom in more recent times. Far from the days of being the sick man of Europe. Though like much of Western Europe faces the challenges of both an ageing population together with competition for work from Asia.

Italy is a basket case. Corrupt, broke and facing a declining population as people leave. Why wouldn't they take EU handouts? I'm sure the UK would like financing for high speed railways. Rather than pay for others to have it.