Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

Dee_Best

Herzlos wrote: »

It's barely growing, and growing less than if we didn't have Brexit.

It's growing more than Germany is (double, in fact).
It's growing more that Italy (by about a factor of 10)
Are they trying to leave the EU too then?

Growing faster than those two despite being told this:
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/nov/08/uk-economic-growth-slowest-europe-next-year-european-commission-forecasts-brexit
Well that turned out to be rubbish, didn't it?

Presumably then you'd be happier if we were closer allied to the USA and emulated their growth since the EU's for similarly-sized countries isn't up to much?



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Herzlos

Not all economics are about leaving the EU - I know you've found a number for the UK that is better than in the EU and are latched onto it hard to claim that everything is alright.


But can you say that our growth and economy are better or worse because of Brexit? Just comparing the UK now with the UK if Remain won?


Can you say the same once we leave? At the moment, we're still very much in the EU and very much reaping the rewards, so whilst there's a huge uncertainty and lack of confidence that has cost us jobs, industry and investment, the fecal matter hasn't yet hit the fan.

movilogo

I am running my heaters in full blast. Hopefully by January Labour will make energy free

Takedap

movilogo wrote: »

I am running my heaters in full blast. Hopefully by January Labour will make energy free

Wasn't that a DUP thing?

Dee_Best

Herzlos wrote: »

Can you say the same once we leave? At the moment, we're still very much in the EU and very much reaping the rewards, so whilst there's a huge uncertainty and lack of confidence that has cost us jobs, industry and investment, the fecal matter hasn't yet hit the fan.

That's what you refuse to see: it hasn't!
You can't pluck out the anti-Brexit tosh from the media and take that as gospel, it makes you look daft.

The stats show still near-record employment - so where are the "lost jobs" because there aren't enough people to physically fill many more.
The stats show continued growth so where's the evidence of "lost industry" since we couldn't grow if it was "lost."
As for your "lost investment" tosh you should read the C4 Factcheck on that subject (Google it if you're interested) which says:

Overall, it’s fair to say that the UK has historically been a favourite destination for global capital, and overseas investors continue to hold large amounts of equity in UK firms compared to other EU countries. There are mixed signals on whether Brexit is changing that.

So not only are you wrong about what indecision has supposedly cost but we've been warned about poop soon hitting the proverbial fan for the past three-and-a-half years and it's all rubbish.
Again, you just want it to come true .......... presumably so that you can be correct at least once.

(* "reaping the rewards" ........ like Germany & Italy you mean? :rotfl: )

Thrugelmir

Dee_Best wrote: »

The stats show continued growth so where's the evidence of "lost industry" since we couldn't grow if it was "lost."

The UK has depended on the service industry for some years to boost GDP. Having said that the EU faces a similar challenge with manufacturing output in decline.

Herzlos

Dee_Best wrote: »

That's what you refuse to see: it hasn't!

I can reel off the lists of jobs already lost if you want? I bet you'd ignore it though.


Here's 2 interesting links for you:
https://smallbusinessprices.co.uk/brexit-index/ which has 420,348 jobs already lost due to Brexit.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-companies-leaving-uk-list-job-cuts-eu-no-deal-customs-union-a8792296.html

Enterprise_1701C

Herzlos wrote: »

Not all economics are about leaving the EU - I know you've found a number for the UK that is better than in the EU and are latched onto it hard to claim that everything is alright.


But can you say that our growth and economy are better or worse because of Brexit? Just comparing the UK now with the UK if Remain won?


Can you say the same once we leave? At the moment, we're still very much in the EU and very much reaping the rewards, so whilst there's a huge uncertainty and lack of confidence that has cost us jobs, industry and investment, the fecal matter hasn't yet hit the fan.

Equally you cannot say whether our growth and economy would have been better if we had voted remain.

You have no idea what the eu would have done if we had voted remain. They may well have taken it as an endorsement of their policies, by now there may have been an eu army pushed through by qmv, all the other members may well have pressurised us into joining the euro, they may well have brought forward the abolition of the rebate, so much that would be to our disadvantage.

Before Brexit was a thing they wanted to move the financial centre to Frankfurt, we have lost a lot of jobs due to the eu subsidising company moves to the Eastern european countries too.

All we know about the eu for certain is that there is nothing certain about the eu, they do not even make sure that the money they hand out does not get into criminal hands, we might as well just hand our contribution to the Italian criminal element as that is where it goes for the most part in Italy.

Dee_Best

Herzlos wrote: »

I can reel off the lists of jobs already lost if you want? I bet you'd ignore it though.


Here's 2 interesting links for you:
https://smallbusinessprices.co.uk/brexit-index/ which has 420,348 jobs already lost due to Brexit.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-companies-leaving-uk-list-job-cuts-eu-no-deal-customs-union-a8792296.html

It's all made-up though; imaginary.
The statistics don't bear out what you are trying to suggest.
I ask you again (even if it is becoming tedious) : with a near-record number employed and hence so few seeking employment who is supposed to be filling these alleged jobs that have been lost and where are they?

Thrugelmir

Dee_Best wrote: »

I ask you again (even if it is becoming tedious) : with a near-record number employed and hence so few seeking employment who is supposed to be filling these alleged jobs that have been lost and where are they?

Those that want to work more hours on a permanent basis. Plus those not counted as unemployed, i.e. not claiming benefits.