Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

Thrugelmir

Dee_Best wrote: »

In a few weeks time you will see with more clarity which way the country is heading.

The lack of clarity in some quarters is quite concerning. I wonder what's the next offering from the sweet shop is going to be.

I know of a number of NHS individuals that would seriously consider early retirement with a 5% payrise. Being a final salary scheme there's a nice boost to both the pension and the tax free lump sum.

Sapphire

Zero_Gravitas wrote: »

Brexit - the gift that keeps on giving:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50419130

“Countries including Australia have asked for trade compensation from the UK and the EU over Brexit disruption.

Fifteen countries, including the US, India and New Zealand, have been setting out Brexit concerns at a World Trade Organization (WTO) meeting in Geneva.”

Cue leavers claiming this is what they voted for all along...

Cue more handouts.

Had we left already, and had the politicians in the UK and EU agreed a deal honouring what we voted for (this would have been perfectly possible had the EU negotiated in good faith, without instead attempting to trap us in their organisation ad infinitum, and without politicians and the media attempting to go against the vote at every stage), there would certainly have been less 'disruption'.

Oh, well – they'll just have to apply to comrade Corbyn/Macdonnel/Momentum for more wondrous fruits from the magic money tree.

Moneybot

Sapphire wrote: »

Cue more handouts.

Had we left already, and had the politicians in the UK and EU agreed a deal honouring what we voted for (this would have been perfectly possible had the EU negotiated in good faith, without instead attempting to trap us in their organisation ad infinitum, and without politicians and the media attempting to go against the vote at every stage), there would certainly have been less 'disruption'.

Oh, well – they'll just have to apply to comrade Corbyn/Macdonnel/Momentum for more wondrous fruits from the magic money tree.

What was it you voted for exactly?

I haven't scrolled back but I assume you have a great solution to the border in Ireland which doesn't screw over the Good Friday agreement.

melanzana

The level of political engagement is abysmal, due no doubt to FPTP.

Soundbytes are taken as gospel.

Daily Mail speaks for one cohort, the Guardian for the other. No way it will change.

Anyway. Even though I am a remainer, I want the very best outcome for this country whatever it takes.

Should I be hopeful now?

Takedap

Dee_Best wrote: »

Never mind.
In a few weeks time you will see with more clarity which way the country is heading.
I have a strange feeling that you won't like that very much either.

I have a feeling that you're right although I think it'll take more than a few weeks to become clear. I've also got a feeling that a lot of others won't like it either. And not just people who are disagreeing with me now.

A wise man once said that it's easier to fool people than it is to convince them they've been fooled.

Thrugelmir

melanzana wrote: »

The level of political engagement is abysmal, due no doubt to FPTP.

Soundbytes are taken as gospel.

Daily Mail speaks for one cohort, the Guardian for the other. No way it will change.

Anyway. Even though I am a remainer, I want the very best outcome for this country whatever it takes.

Should I be hopeful now?

Feels as if the world , in particular the West, is heading to a dark place. Everybody is in it for themselves, i.e. rights and entitlements. Perhaps post war economic policy has run its course. The party is over. All we are left with is a debt hangover.

Herzlos

Sailtheworld wrote: »

Of course the creation of food banks will create a demand but it's a Tory fantasy to think they're mainly serving people who rock up in a flash car pick up some free food and then go home and get drunk whilst watching Sky on a 80" TV.

Where does this Worldview come from?

I think it just highlights their own mentality - that if they had access to free stuff they'd take it even if they didn't need it, ergo anyone else would do the same thing.



I wonder how many Tory voters volunteer/donate to foodbanks Vs Labour voters.

Sailtheworld

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Feels as if the world , in particular the West, is heading to a dark place. Everybody is in it for themselves, i.e. rights and entitlements. Perhaps post war economic policy has run its course. The party is over. All we are left with is a debt hangover.

Take a tip from this chap just a few posts earlier. He's an odd one - been predicting the end of the World as we know it since he's been on here but happy to invite people to be joyous they aren't starving when the need arises.

Thrugelmir wrote: »

We all need to start appreciating how lucky we are.

Sailtheworld

Thrugelmir wrote: »

I know of a number of NHS individuals that would seriously consider early retirement with a 5% payrise. Being a final salary scheme there's a nice boost to both the pension and the tax free lump sum.

I'll mention to my wife that the fella from MSE is banging on again about just how much she earns.

In today's money a 5% increase on her pension when she's 67 will be worth £447. Better than a kick up the behind but please don't expect an exodus of staff from the NHS because of a 5% pay rise.

It's a matter of perspective. 5% of a big number is a big number but 5% of a small number is a small number. Most people in the NHS are towards the smaller end - clearly you move in somewhat elevated circles and missed the bias.

Maybe this'll help with the perspective..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMiKyfd6hA0

Fran_Klee

Herzlos wrote: »

This is an interesting read that doesn't paint the rosy story you are trying to hard to conjure:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/analysis-and-features/uk-unemployment-jobs-figures-brexit-turmoil-honda-nissan-a8798856.html

I'll tell you what really doesn't pain a rosy picture about auto jobs.
This week alone (and on top of recent announcements of 20k + job losses at Ford, BMW & VW in Germany alone) comes this news:
Daimler plans "at least" 10,000 job losses and Audi plans almost 10,000 job losses in the auto sector.

So "Brexit turmoil" my arris.
The whole world is changing, quickly too with what many are calling a new industrial revolution on the horizon.

Thankfully it looks like we'll soon be out the "union" that has such a horrendous record in dealing with times of change so that we can be free to forge our own path in the world.