Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

phillw

ukcarper wrote: »

Sending convicted criminals back is not controlled immigration.

There you go again.

People acting in a xenophobic way aren't xenophobic.
Saying certain people can't come here isn't controlling immigration.

You live in an upside down world.

ukcarper

phillw wrote: »

There you go again.

People acting in a xenophobic way aren't xenophobic.
Saying certain people can't come here isn't controlling immigration.

You live in an upside down world.

Xenophobia is fear or dislike of foreign people not being concerned of the effect of immigration

Uncontrolled immigration is not having the ability to choose who enters the country.

ukcarper

phillw wrote: »

Which is why the leave vote was strongest in areas that were less affected by immigration.

I live in an area with a reasonable number of immigrants, but the white british don't want to integrate with the foreigners. The immigrants are keeping the local businesses running, but as the leavers say the financial hit is a small price to pay. The really xenophobic won't regret it even when it inevitably happens.

Doesn't apply to everywhere Scotland and NI voted remain while Bradford voted leave.

gfplux

Tromking wrote: »

It’s one question in a referendum not two, and that would obviously not be the question on the ballot paper.

Wow, no wonder there is Brexit uncertainty. Don’t you remember being asked the questionS in June 2016?

Let me remind you?

The questions were....

1) Remain a member of the European Union
Or
2) Leave the European Union

Just to repeat, you were asked to choose between TWO. Is that how Remain won, were there ballot papers that only asked question 2)

Just to clarify the Words of Corbin in his speech at the Labour Party launch this week.

He proposed that the two questions that would be asked in his referendum.

1) leave the EU with a sensible deal
Or
2) remain in the EU

Two questions as why have a referendum on this issue. As I said before the anti EU Labour Party would ensure the ballot paper questions would be biased towards leaving.

Enterprise_1701C

We have local problems caused directly and provably by immigration, although not totally related to the eu. Our doctor's surgery lead time for appointments is 3 weeks. Whenever we go in there we barely hear an English word, a lot of the people in there are elderly Nepalese. 10% of a local town is Nepalese, the doctors there could not accommodate them all so we got the overflow. I wouldn't mind so much but the women are not allowed to learn to speak English by their husbands because they are afraid they will mix outside of their own community, (though fortunately the girls in their twenties or so have to work to support the elderly so they get to learn English) so that means they get no privacy in the consulting room. So you get whole Nepalese families sitting in the waiting room taking up seats that sick or injured people need.

The lead time is also not helped by the amount of Poles that seem to have congregated in the area, they seem to have decided to take over the country by having more babies than anyone, you find pregnant women in our surgery surrounded by two or three kids already and talking about having more, those that speak English anyway.

gfplux wrote: »

Wow, no wonder there is Brexit uncertainty. Don’t you remember being asked the questionS in June 2016?

Let me remind you?

The questions were....

1) Remain a member of the European Union
Or
2) Leave the European Union

Just to repeat, you were asked to choose between TWO. Is that how Remain won, were there ballot papers that only asked question 2)

Just to clarify the Words of Corbin in his speech at the Labour Party launch this week.

He proposed that the two questions that would be asked in his referendum.

1) leave the EU with a sensible deal
Or
2) remain in the EU

Two questions as why have a referendum on this issue. As I said before the anti EU Labour Party would ensure the ballot paper questions would be biased towards leaving.

You seem to be living in your own world too, remain did not win.

Herzlos

And up here, the GP's waiting rooms with a 2-ish week wait are full of white British pensioners (of which I reckon maybe 10% actually need to be there), essentially no brown people and the occasional Eastern European surname. The plural of anecdote is not data.


The reason GP's surgeries are completely clogged is because of chronic underfunding and not a few foreigners. We're struggling to hire Doctors, all of the cheaper care options have been wiped out of existence by faux austerity.


Foreigners coming here and generating tax revenue are helping provide the funds to boost the NHS but the money isn't going there because Tory donors need their tax breaks.



At least we're conceding it's got nothing to do with the EU.

ukcarper wrote: »

There you are doing it again. We have had uncontrolled immigration from EU OK there might be rules we could implement but various governments have not chosen to implement them.

So we've got uncontrolled immigration but there are ways to control it, therefore it's all Westminsters fault rather than the EU?

Dee_Best

You might find this interesting.
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-france-immigration/france-under-pressure-from-right-wing-toughens-stance-on-immigration-idUKKBN1XG1QT?il=0

France is to clear out some migrant tent camps, impose quotas for migrant workers and deny newly-arrived asylum seekers access to non-urgent healthcare

mayonnaise

Dee_Best wrote: »

You might find this interesting.
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-france-immigration/france-under-pressure-from-right-wing-toughens-stance-on-immigration-idUKKBN1XG1QT?il=0

Interesting, maybe.
Irrelevant to this thread, definitely.

Herzlos

So that sinks the claim that the EU won't let us control immigration?

RyanEzio

Very interesting discussion on Politics Live earlier regarding Labour’s plan to nationalise National Grid. Shareholders would get Govt bonds in exchange for their shares. The best thing about it? It will be compulsory!


So if you have any shares in National Grid, or any other company Corbyn and his militants are planning to nationalise, they'll be taken away from you and in exchange you'll get a gov bond.


Thats adds even more woe to Labour's chance of claiming a GE victory.


That's not the mention the horrific front page of todays Jewish chronicle, pleading with UK voters not to vote Corbyn. PLEADING! This is Britain 2019. Never thought I would see the day Jewish people would be scared for their futures.


Corbyn and the militant left need to be defeated this election.