Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

Conina

phillw wrote: »

Squirming already?

From what? From showing somebody to be so wrong that they have no answer as seems usual for remainers here? Right ................. :rotfl:

phillw wrote: »

You think it's big of me to say you deserve being conned?

That's hilarious coming as it does from a remainer, you know, one of those who have been conned into refusing TM's BRINO which now instead means a hard form of Brexit for you. :T

Conina

gfplux wrote: »

No, lost my vote under the 15 year rule. The rule is somewhat unusual as most democratic countrys allow their citizens to participate in national elections regardless of where they live and how long they are away.

That's strange because Germany have a 25-year rule, admittedly longer than ours but still there. On looking further Australia you can't; NZ you can't; and other countries have various restrictions so it looks like your assertion isn't quite correct but given that this country is letting it's parliament show that we're not very democratic maybe we should compare to North Korea or China?

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You've been away that long you probably didn't realise how far EU laws pervade.
If not kindly explain why the UK can't adjust VAT as it wishes? Surely the EU's fishing laws haven't passed you by too - you know, the EU's CFP which decimated our fishing industry?

If we really never lost control of our laws as you say perhaps you'd be kind enough to explain those two costly examples just for starters. Be warned, when you've failed those I have more examples.

Herzlos

The EU usually provides directives and lets the member states implement their own laws to suit.


Only something like 13% of laws are based on EU directives:

It also passed 33,160 Statutory Instruments, 4,283 of which implemented EU obligations. Add both of these together and divide by the total number of laws passed, and you get the 13% figure.

The figure is skewed because not all EU directives require law changes, but we're talking about control over our laws.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36473105


Even for those EU directives we implement corresponding laws for, we had a seat at the table discussing them. I know Brexiteers like to portray Britain as being dictated to but it's a co-operative effort. We are the EU.

Conina

Herzlos wrote: »

Even for those EU directives we implement corresponding laws for, we had a seat at the table discussing them. I know Brexiteers like to portray Britain as being dictated to but it's a co-operative effort. We are the EU.

Once you've taken off the rose-tinted glasses you'll see that 27 other countries are also fighting for their own objectives. When a few of the bigger members club together that makes achieving your own objective as 1 out of 28 nigh on impossible; your voice is drowned out by the majority. So we might have had a seat but it was a pretty ineffective one.

The only co-operative effort the EU ever sees is what is best for the EU, not for individual member countries. We have never been the EU (and they know this) because we have always been reluctant members, and Brexit has proven that to be correct.

I bet you've not seen this: the French have a less-favourable view of the EU than even the British or Greeks!



Yes, I know it shows global popularity for the EU persists (or that propaganda and bribery works, more likely) but look closely at the chart again.

The countries least positive towards the EU are often EU member countries.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/10/21/attitudes-toward-eu-are-largely-positive-both-within-europe-and-outside-it/

Herzlos

You seem to be missing the fact that we were one of those bigger players and had a veto.


Of course in a group of 28 we need to compromise with the other 27 - it's a co-operative effort of which we were a reluctant member, not an Empire where we could dictate to everyone else.

phillw

Conina wrote: »

From what? From showing somebody to be so wrong that they have no answer as seems usual for remainers here? Right ................. :rotfl:

You might believe you've shown people to be wrong, but you haven't convinced me.

It seems like deflection.

Conina wrote: »

Once you've taken off the rose-tinted glasses you'll see that 27 other countries are also fighting for their own objectives.

If you took time to understand the remain argument you would know that we're well aware of that.

Leavers want to go from being on a level playing field, to where we are in a worse bargaining position.

The EU can afford to freeze us out, they are also big enough they can do trade deals with other countries that also freeze us out.

We could compete with pueto rico for the the 51st state of the US.

I was reminded earlier of one of liar boris previous lies https://twitter.com/adambienkov/status/1011181805884641280

Maybe the bulldozer could push him into the ditch?

Kendall80

phillw wrote: »

We could compete with pueto rico for the the 51st state of the US.

England/Wales becomes part of the US and Scotland remains in the EU.


Then the US demands we cede NI to the Irish.


Thats devolution completed then at least.

phillw

Kendall80 wrote: »

England/Wales becomes part of the US and Scotland remains in the EU.


Then the US demands we cede NI to the Irish.


Thats devolution completed then at least.

I'm not sure that wales would go along with becoming a vasalage state of the US. They'd probably go with Scotland.

Then Wales and Scotland would close their borders to England to stop economic migration.

gfplux

Conina wrote: »

That's strange because Germany have a 25-year rule, admittedly longer than ours but still there. On looking further Australia you can't; NZ you can't; and other countries have various restrictions so it looks like your assertion isn't quite correct but given that this country is letting it's parliament show that we're not very democratic maybe we should compare to North Korea or China?


You've been away that long you probably didn't realise how far EU laws pervade.
If not kindly explain why the UK can't adjust VAT as it wishes? Surely the EU's fishing laws haven't passed you by too - you know, the EU's CFP which decimated our fishing industry?

If we really never lost control of our laws as you say perhaps you'd be kind enough to explain those two costly examples just for starters. Be warned, when you've failed those I have more examples.

Remind me what issues you have with VAT

Thrugelmir

phillw wrote: »

Then Wales and Scotland would close their borders to England to stop economic migration.

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