Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

Zero_Gravitas

Just to set the record straight, in the light of the continued mendacity of Tromking’s signature; here’s what Churchill really said about Europe in May 1948:

“We hope to see a Europe where men of every country will think as much of being a European as of belonging to their native land, and that without losing any of their love and loyalty of their birthplace. We hope wherever they go in this wide domain, to which we set no limits in the European Continent, they will truly feel "Here I am at home. I am a citizen of this country too". Let us meet together. Let us work together. Let us do our utmost—all that is in us—for the good of all”

Tromking

Arklight wrote: »

Is it time as a nation to discuss all votes not being equal?

Do the wishes of 17 million doleites and angry unemployed pensioners outweigh the wishes of 16 million educated, economically active citizens?

I say no.

Keep trolling Arky, you might make a substantive point one day.

LHW99

Do you still think testing when used with different materials is a waste of money?

Sometimes yes, sometimes no. It depends on context, and the specific things being considered. BPR deals with chemical compounds which have often been well specified, as they have been in widespread use for many years without issue.
To take an example, BPR is comparing ingredients of madeira cake with those of sponge cake and demanding that the same flour grade must be separately registered for approval by both the miller and the two separate bakers.
There are many standards covering many requirements. Some do the job admirably, some specifically encourage a "closed shop" in certain industries, a few don't do the job at all.

Moby

Under Johnson's version of Brexit Britain will be out of both customs union and single market; how is this not going to shrink the size of our economy? Already the referendum has made us £55bn poorer, (Paul Johnson of the Institute for Fiscal Studies says), pointing to three years of lost productivity on top of this decade of stagnant living standards. Johnson’s Brexit will push us back into austerity and yet he says we are going to get 40 new hospitals! Why do people believe these lies? why do people believe he speaks for them?

Tromking

Sterling bounces on news that Barnier says a deal is possible. In that event the only hope for the Brexit wreckers in Parliament is to append a confirmatory referendum to the vote on the deal when it comes.

Herzlos

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Which benefits a few major European players.

It also benefits all of the people in the EU. In other words: us. Why wouldn't we want to be using stuff that was properly tested for the use in question?


I quite like knowing that whatever I'm using has been confirmed safe before I'm using it.

phillw

Tromking wrote: »

Sterling bounces on news that Barnier says a deal is possible.

That isn't something new, they say positive things and sterling goes up then boris puts out a leak saying the EU are lying and sterling goes down.

He is only really saying that there is still time for boris to change his mind and keep the back stop. There isn't time for anything else.

Tromking wrote: »

In that event the only hope for the Brexit wreckers in Parliament is to append a confirmatory referendum to the vote on the deal when it comes.

You haven't seen the deal yet. It might be something legally binding in perpetuity that you don't like. It would be amazing if Boris came back with a deal so odious to the leavers that they started fighting for a second referendum (like they started a call for a second referendum in the case of a 52/48 petition before the referendum because they thought they would lose).

Leavers have no moral high ground and all the arguments against a second referendum would disappear as soon as they wanted one.

Herzlos

Tromking wrote: »

Yep, I'm still trying to imagine France giving up its UN security council seat to the wider EU project sometime in the future.
Nope, won't happen.

I thought the Libson 2020 treaty removed all abilility for member states to object to EU stuff?


Or was that garbage?

kabayiri

That wise old owl, Michael Portillo, predicted that this whole Brexit process would consist of 90% of nothing much, followed by typical 11th hour EU politicking.

I suspected he was right then, and I haven't changed my view.

I'm glad to find out now rather than later just how poor our modern day UK and EU politicians are. This lot are destined for mediocrity.

Tromking

phillw wrote: »

You haven't seen the deal yet. It might be something legally binding in perpetuity that you don't like. It would be amazing if Boris came back with a deal so odious to the leavers that they started fighting for a second referendum (like they started a call for a second referendum in the case of a 52/48 petition before the referendum because they thought they would lose).

Leavers have no moral high ground and all the arguments against a second referendum would disappear as soon as they wanted one.

Who's talking about Leavers?
The HoC has a stonking great remainer majority, an affirmative vote on the deal with a 2nd referendum added on may give enough of them the political cover they crave. It would still be a democratic outrage, but you get my point.