Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

LHW99

You should tell the grenfell victims that the cladding had been tested, just not in the way it was used and that further testing was just a massive duplication and waste.

The issues here AFAIK was not that the cladding was used in a manner other than the testing, but that the installation was incorrect, and allowed a fire within the building to cross to the outside, rather than ensure it would be confined in the area where it began.

phillw

RyanEzio wrote: »

I very much doubt 40% tariff will be slapped onto businesses. The UK and the EU will remain close partners, mainly on trade.

Financial services is essentially banned under any deal that they will go for. I don't know what business you are in, but the EU already has 40% tariffs on third countries (which is what we will become).

We could do a close trade deal, but there is no intersection on any of the red lines. Even if we enter a transition agreement in November then what we transition to is going to be very much worse in terms of paper work and tariffs than what you have now.

LHW99 wrote: »

The issues here AFAIK was not that the cladding was used in a manner other than the testing, but that the installation was incorrect, and allowed a fire within the building to cross to the outside, rather than ensure it would be confined in the area where it began.

The cladding and insulation had been tested in different configurations, just not in the combination that it was fitted on grenfell tower. Someone overlooked that for cost reasons, so yeah it was incorrect they used them like that without testing. Which was entirely the point that I was making.

It would have failed testing used in the manner on grenfell, even though it passed the test elsewhere.

Do you still think testing when used with different materials is a waste of money? I'm no expert, but I'd put more weight on a scientific argument than "it's not fair, it's going to cost us money"

Thrugelmir

phillw wrote: »

We're European, we're from the continent of Europe. Are you using a narrower definition?

Care to name some UK players then.........

phillw

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Care to name some UK players then.........

No, why does it matter where companies are from?

If it was worth building those companies in the UK then someone would do it. I'm not really bothered if they have, or someone else in the EU does it.

Thrugelmir

phillw wrote: »

No, why does it matter where companies are from?

Jobs, tax, capital spend etc etc. European project of redistribution of income\wealth is far from complete. National interests still dominate. Polticicians cannot afford to ignore their own electorates.

phillw

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Jobs, tax, capital spend etc etc. European project of redistribution of income\wealth is far from complete. National interests still dominate. Polticicians cannot afford to ignore their own electorates.

National interest of the UK still dominates. The European project is far from complete, but partly that is because of sabotage by the JRM's and his clones. If top scientists want to work in the UK then they'll start companies here, if they want to leave then nothing will stop them. Leaving the EU will just hurt the UK, because it will be less beneficial to be in the UK than now.

You say they can't afford to ignore the electorate but you want them to ignore 50% of their electorate. What they can't do is ignore the consequences of what the leavers want.

Tromking

Thrugelmir wrote: »

National interests still dominate. Politicians cannot afford to ignore their own electorates.

Yep, I'm still trying to imagine France giving up its UN security council seat to the wider EU project sometime in the future.
Nope, won't happen.

phillw

Tromking wrote: »

Yep, I'm still trying to imagine France giving up its UN security council seat to the wider EU project sometime in the future.
Nope, won't happen.

Yeah, the european army (like every single one of leavers other lies) aren't going to happen either.

Tromking

phillw wrote: »

Yeah, the european army (like every single one of leavers other lies) aren't going to happen either.

The biggest lie is the one which says that EU is not dominated by the narrow national interests of its constituent nations.
Ireland and Luxembourg will find out in due course that their low tax economies does not suit the likes of France, and they'll be expected to come into line.

Arklight

Is it time as a nation to discuss all votes not being equal?

Do the wishes of 17 million doleites and angry unemployed pensioners outweigh the wishes of 16 million educated, economically active citizens?

I say no.