Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

triathlon

BikingBud wrote: »

That the bit remainers just don't get, it just doesn't matter at all!

Did it say you cannot vote if: you don't have Phd, you don't have 4 a-levels, you are from an ethnic minority, you are middle aged or any other fanciful reason that leads you to try and undermine the result?

Did it say if you are educated and female then your vote will count twice that of any "white bitter angry failed males". Nope don't think it did.

You can try to ascribe motivations of any origin to those that voted. The only thing that matters is they expressed their right to vote and did so in the manner that gave a majority to leave.

No matter how many times you come back to it or try to condemn those that voted as people with different backgrounds and beliefs: butchers, bakers, candlestick makers, even Chelsea or West Ham fans, you cannot change what occurred.

And you cannot change the fact that the MPs are not delivering what the electorate wanted and what they voted for in agreeing to submit A50.

I perfectly cool about all of this and unlike you I know whats coming and have planned. My 50% of fellow Remainers, or 48% if you want, hold at a guess 95% plus of all of the intelligence, power, strength and morality.
It's like twenty 2 year old kids claiming they will have the power to over rule me in an argument because there is 95% more of them and they have the majority

phillw

BikingBud wrote: »

The fact that the politicians en-masse will not deliver what they accepted to.

The Conservatives have made sure it was undeliverable. The problem is that people standing as MPs were under the impression they were conservative, this has now proven to not be the case & there isn't a majority of Tories.

They need a GE so they can get more Tories and get rid of conservative MPs

BikingBud

phillw wrote: »

That would be interesting, I'm not sure how MPs would feel about that. At the moment the opposition are like parents repeatedly stopping their children from drinking bleach.

Where is the bleach? I don't see any bleach.

Some might say that voting for Cons or Labour or the BNP would be more toxic for the country but if we tried to stop that there would be outrage. We must all recognise that our perspective may not be the reality.

But anyway that doesn't matter.

The electorate are still not getting a hearing because the egos in Parliament think they know better.

Sailtheworld

BikingBud wrote: »

And unlike takedap I recognise this is not about what I want but what those people who voted in the referendum want. So why the intent now to discredit or demean those people that voted in the good faith that the elected representatives would deliver against those votes?

No, I'm the spokesman for the people who voted leave; not you.

Maybe the people who voted to leave are, as you like to portray, reasonable well adjusted people who carefully considered the issues.

These reasonable people are probably concerned about how extremists are trying to force a no-deal brexit in their name and would prefer to wait a few more months to leave in an orderly fashion. That would help set the groundwork for a mutually beneficial trade agreement with the EU.

They're grown-ups and realise the difficulties and sensitivities in finding a way forward where the referendum so so finely balanced and where there are a multitude of options to respect the result of the referendum.

Why would these people feel demeaned?

phillw

BikingBud wrote: »

Where is the bleach? I don't see any bleach.

Leaving the EU. It will make us weaker, especially with Boris at the helm.

phillw

lvader wrote: »

Because it turns it a race/gender issue (which it isn't)

Maybe it is. How would you know unless you studied the demographic?

cogito

Sailtheworld wrote: »

No, I'm the spokesman for the people who voted leave; not you.

Maybe the people who voted to leave are, as you like to portray, reasonable well adjusted people who carefully considered the issues.

These reasonable people are probably concerned about how extremists are trying to force a no-deal brexit in their name and would prefer to wait a few more months to leave in an orderly fashion. That would help set the groundwork for a mutually beneficial trade agreement with the EU.

They're grown-ups and realise the difficulties and sensitivities in finding a way forward where the referendum so so finely balanced and where there are a multitude of options to respect the result of the referendum.

Why would these people feel demeaned?

Some of us consider that the pro-EU frothers on the opposition benches are extremists too.

triathlon

lvader wrote: »

As far as I can tell the only person being racist here is you.

Why don't you just pack it in with the Faux "I am offended" nonsense, you are fooling nobody. And lets not forget why you Brexiteer supporters are posting on a property forum in particular. For reasons beyond me you are hoping for a property crash from the no deal outcome, what you are going to get from it beats me unless it is the joy from seeing decent hard working, sacrificing families suffer as a result, that's what I personally find obscene, so don't lecture me on racism when you probably have had zero impact of it's effects in your own life.

lvader

phillw wrote: »

Maybe it is. How would you know unless you studied the demographic?

Why would I?, I'm not obsessed by labelling and grouping people like the left and far right are.

Moby

Jess Phillips says man arrested after trying to smash windows at her constituency office

The Labour MP Jess Phillips, who represents Birmingham Yardley, has revealed that a man has been arrested after trying to “kick the door” of her constituency office while reportedly shouting that she was a fascist. She told LBC Radio:

I’ve only just heard about it myself but my staff had to be locked into my office while the man tried to smash the windows and kick the door, I believe. I don’t know what I can say because the man has been arrested.