Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

mayonnaise

Tromking wrote: »

Away with your faux concocted outrage. It doesn't work anymore.

Trommy, take a deep breath and control that blind rage of yours for a minute.
Johnson behaved appallingly. (and yes, believe me or not, I'd say the same if a remainer MP acted the same way).
This is a matter of plain common decency, doesn't matter at what side if the divide you're on.
Taunting MP's who receive death threats on a daily basis and dragging the memory of Jo Cox through the mud is just not very prime ministerial.

Takedap

BikingBud wrote: »

What do people on here really want?

Their own way? or
To ensure democracy is delivered and seen to be delivered?

Seems a lot are trying like hell to dress up the former as the latter.

Well thanks for asking.
Personally, I'd like to see them delivering what they said. ie, A Free Trade Deal with the EU. but not just any deal.

One that is at least as good as the one we're giving up. Remember "Sunlit Uplands"?

Or "No downside, only a considerable upside"?

Or "We hold all the cards"?

Or "The easiest deal in human history"?


Boris is desperately trying to convince people that they voted for No Deal. They didn't. The idea of No Deal was dismissed as being Project Fear". It could never happen.


I've asked several times for anyone to produce evidence that ANYONE from the Leave campaign promoted a No Deal Brexit before the referendum. No evidence has come forwards. Not a single quote.



Also. Boris want the public to think that letting a No Deal Brexit happen would somehow be the end of the matter. "People are fed up with it" and "Let's get it over with"



Well unless we want to trade on WTO terms forever, it certainly isn't the end. It's the beginning.



Plunging the country into extreme economic uncertainly because a lot of uninformed people have been conned into believing that we've "Had enough of experts" isn't Democracy. It's Mob Rule. Our future is being decided by the noisiest table in Wetherspoons, usually people who's only interest in Europe prior to the referendum depended on if their team was playing in the Champions League. Do you really want that?



And if anyone can say that they knew all the facts & haven't learned anything since the vote, then I suggest that they are either Liars or they haven't been listening. Either way, it's not good.

So, that's what I want. And Yes, if I can't get it, I'd much prefer to stay as we are. It's done me no harm or harmed anyone I know so unless you can guarantee I'll be better off (and I'm not just talking about money) why do you think it's worth the risk. If there is an "upside" it's minimal, but the downside is potentially huge.


Now, what do YOU want? And shouting about Sovereignty or The Will of the People isn't a proper answer.

Herzlos

BikingBud wrote: »

What do people on here really want?

I want us to come to a clear decision and do it properly. I've got no problem with Brexit in theory, assuming it was done as campaigned (an orderly withdrawl) and achieved the promises.



What we are looking at is nothing of the sort.

BikingBud

Herzlos wrote: »

I want us to come to a clear decision and do it properly. I've got no problem with Brexit in theory, assuming it was done as campaigned (an orderly withdrawl) and achieved the promises.

What we are looking at is nothing of the sort.

And that's the sad sorry tale of the last 3 years.

Our politicians have not delivered.

Parliament is a circus and they are not delivering what the electorate requested, by virtue of the referendum and the passing of A50 legislation.

BikingBud

Takedap wrote: »

Well thanks for asking.
Personally, I'd like to see them delivering what they said. ie, A Free Trade Deal with the EU. but not just any deal.

How about delivering Brexit and then setting up the deals. At the moment all we have is a long running Mexican stand-off.

No one is willing to blink.

No one is willing to take the steps forward.

All we get is: rhetoric, mud slinging and no action.

That behaviour is what is really doing the damage to our nation's reputation.

Takedap wrote: »

Boris is desperately trying to convince people that they voted for No Deal. They didn't. The idea of No Deal was dismissed as being Project Fear". It could never happen.

Yes it's correct we didn't vote for no deal. We simply voted to leave, no qualification, no pre-conditions. Just leave.

Takedap wrote: »

I've asked several times for anyone to produce evidence that ANYONE from the Leave campaign promoted a No Deal Brexit before the referendum. No evidence has come forwards. Not a single quote.

Why was it necessary?

Takedap wrote: »

Well unless we want to trade on WTO terms forever, it certainly isn't the end. It's the beginning.

So lets get into the starting gate and go out to compete, rather than wasting time in the pits wondering if our team will be good enough

Takedap wrote: »

Plunging the country into extreme economic uncertainly because a lot of uninformed people have been conned into believing that we've "Had enough of experts" isn't Democracy. It's Mob Rule. Our future is being decided by the noisiest table in Wetherspoons, usually people who's only interest in Europe prior to the referendum depended on if their team was playing in the Champions League. Do you really want that?

The only mob i'm really able to discern are the elected representatives who are running the circus.

Takedap wrote: »

So, that's what I want. And Yes, if I can't get it, I'd much prefer to stay as we are. It's done me no harm or harmed anyone I know so unless you can guarantee I'll be better off (and I'm not just talking about money) why do you think it's worth the risk. If there is an "upside" it's minimal, but the downside is potentially huge.

So you and how many? 50? 100? 500? More than 17 million?

What you and yours may think or want doesn't really matter when the correct process is the democratic process. Referendum and legislation via the correct political process.

Your response indicates you want it your way!

Conina

BikingBud wrote: »

Your response indicates you want it your way!

Like the response of many of the remainers here, who openly admit to cheating and worse in their posts just to provoke Brexiters and yet have the temerity to describe Brexiters of wanting "mob rule" but what else can we expect when our remainers MP's are doing just the same in parliament.

phillw

Conina wrote: »

Telling the house that they are cowards for not tabling a no-confidence vote or allowing an election isn't lying when that is exactly what the house are doing, and it is because they know that their jobs wouldn't survive an election so Boris is right and you are, as usual, wrong.

You're confusing cowardice with intelligence, you probably know more about the former than the later. They don't care about their jobs, a lot of them have announced their resignation as of the next election & so I have no idea how someone could come to that conclusion.

The rebel alliance are laying their jobs on the line for the well being of all the people. Something that deserves the upmost respect & is more honorable than the lies and deceit of Fuerher Johnson.

Thing is, I think even Boris knows that it's not cowardice. He knows that they are just trying to out maneuver him. He's just lying as usual.

This was cleared by lawyers as there is enough indisputable evidence

https://twitter.com/MrNishKumar/status/1177161532880371714

Conina wrote: »

Like the response of many of the remainers here, who openly admit to cheating and worse in their posts just to provoke Brexiters and yet have the temerity to describe Brexiters of wanting "mob rule" but what else can we expect when our remainers MP's are doing just the same in parliament.

All I've ever done is mentioned how great the EU has been, how much immigrants have contributed to society, how much we will lose when we leave and that it outweighs the benefits.

If you feel triggered by that then it's something you need to deal with. You can follow a proven liar and racist to achieve your goals, I won't.

Tromking wrote: »

Well done Remainer MP’s.
They've dragged Boris back to Parliament only for him to hand their asses back to them tonight.

His meltdown was hilarious, no truth has ever passed his lips & so I find it hard to be offended by him. He is so butt hurt right now.

https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/aw-look-its-likkle-teeny-weeny-cutesy-wutesy-trumpy-wumpy-20190926189348

BikingBud wrote: »

To ensure democracy is delivered and seen to be delivered?

I would like a second referendum, because the biggest cry babies will be the leave voters & we need to make sure they have no room to say that "this wasn't what I voted for". People have been crying in their beer for 40 years because they hate the idea of working this closely with foreigners & this referendum is supposed to put an end to it. Without a second referendum on the actual deal then it's not going to make a difference to those people, they'll still have their backward looking views and we'll also have the indisputable negative effects of leaving the EU.

You listen to this guy right?

https://twitter.com/jamesmelville/status/1070632545077858304?lang=en

Takedap

BikingBud wrote: »

Your response indicates you want it your way!

I told you what I wanted.


A Free Trade Deal with the EU that is as good or better than the deal we've got now.


Do you want to end up in a worse situation? How would that help anyone?

Conina

Here's a reminder of why democracy is failing, look at the bottom of the shiny graphics and see how many MP's are opposed to doing the bidding of their electorate.

triathlon

Conina wrote: »

Here's a reminder of why democracy is failing, look at the bottom of the shiny graphics and see how many MP's are opposed to doing the bidding of their electorate.

And how many of those leave votes are from white bitter angry failed males. I bet you most of the Remain votes were from rational anti racist ethnic groups, shame the percentage of them was not that little bit larger