Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

Sailtheworld

Tromking wrote: »

They've dragged Boris back to Parliament only for him to hand their asses back to them tonight.

Given you think he's a genius you're bound to think that. He doesn't need to convince you of anything.

Not sure how that sort of performance will go down with the electorate though. They might think they're being played.

Tromking

Sailtheworld wrote: »

Given you think he's a genius you're bound to think that. He doesn't need to convince you of anything.

Not sure how that sort of performance will go down with the electorate though. They might think they're being played.

Boris confronted Remain MP’s with the public’s anger tonight and they didn’t like it one bit. I’m currently watching a bunch of sap MP’s who thought they could skewer BJ tonight bleating to the Speaker about how beastly BJ was to them. As someone who has worked in one of Western Europe’s most violent workplaces for 32 years, they need to get a life.

Moby

Tromking wrote: »

Well done Remainer MP’s.
They've dragged Boris back to Parliament only for him to hand their asses back to them tonight.

The reaction I've seen to that commons performance doesn't seem to be saying that. I suppose it depends where you go to for your news. I 'd say that was the most cynical performance I've ever seen from a PM. Mining the politics of division and using the language of tribalism and hate to make your point never ends well. He is uniting the opposition. His behaviour will appeal to his populist base until he becomes a liability they can no longer afford and then his baggage will pull him down. That will be his legacy.

Theophile

Tromking wrote: »

Well done Remainer MP’s.
They've dragged Boris back to Parliament only for him to hand their asses back to them tonight.

What bit did you like most?
Was it when he said the best way to honour the memory of Jo Cox (murdered by a brexiteer) is to get Brexit done?

Tromking

Moby wrote: »

The reaction I've seen to that commons performance doesn't seem to be saying that. I suppose it depends where you go to for your news. I 'd say that was the most cynical performance I've ever seen from a PM. Mining the politics of division and using the language of tribalism and hate to make your point never ends well. He is uniting the opposition. His behaviour will appeal to his populist base until he becomes a liability they can no longer afford and then his baggage will pull him down. He'll now also be blamed if another MP is murdered. That will be his legacy.

This is high stakes stuff, Remain MP's would like nothing more than see another Tory PM stand outside Number 10 and tearfully depart the scene after failing to deliver Brexit. BJ is no more guilty of mining the politics of division and tribalism than any other top level politician. Yesterday was supposed to be BJ's political nadir, instead he reduced the opposition to a bunch of blithering idiots bleating to the speaker about how nasty his choice of language was.
Boris may very well 'crash and burn' in the not to distant future, but yesterday along with Geoffrey Cox they spoke for me.

Tromking

Theophile wrote: »

What bit did you like most?
Was it when he said the best way to honour the memory of Jo Cox (murdered by a brexiteer) is to get Brexit done?

Away with your faux concocted outrage. It doesn't work anymore.

Sailtheworld

Tromking wrote: »

Boris confronted Remain MP’s with the public’s anger tonight and they didn’t like it one bit. I’m currently watching a bunch of sap MP’s who thought they could skewer BJ tonight bleating to the Speaker about how beastly BJ was to them. As someone who has worked in one of Western Europe’s most violent workplaces for 32 years, they need to get a life.

Even when you're apparently delighted about something you've still got steam coming out your ears. You're really not in a good place to judge the public anger or whether it plays well to try and become the spokesman for the public in a made up public vs parliament argument.

Keep it up by all means then you and all the other riled up people will squirt their votes on the brexit party.

If you were presented with your Internet persona at work you'd say they were at risk of being radicalised.

buglawton

Got to admit that Boris' performance yesterday in Parliament shows him to be a bit of a verbal loose cannon. He needs a moderating influence from someone like... Nigel Farage in a coalition cabinet. Zero chance of a Con majority in next GE so if Boris won't cut that deal he's a political dead duck.

Sailtheworld

buglawton wrote: »

Got to admit that Boris' performance yesterday in Parliament shows him to be a bit of a verbal loose cannon. He needs a moderating influence from someone like... Nigel Farage in a coalition cabinet. Zero chance of a Con majority in next GE so if Boris won't cut that deal he's a political dead duck.

It might look different if he gets his deal (good progress being made?) and we leave the EU at the end of October. Farage will complain of a sell-out but it does rather cut the brexit party off at the knees if brexit has already happened.

TBH I think Boris would rather ask the EU for an extension than get into bed with Farage and his rebranded UKIP.

Moby

Tromking wrote: »

This is high stakes stuff, Remain MP's would like nothing more than see another Tory PM stand outside Number 10 and tearfully depart the scene after failing to deliver Brexit. BJ is no more guilty of mining the politics of division and tribalism than any other top level politician. Yesterday was supposed to be BJ's political nadir, instead he reduced the opposition to a bunch of blithering idiots bleating to the speaker about how nasty his choice of language was.
Boris may very well 'crash and burn' in the not to distant future, but yesterday along with Geoffrey Cox they spoke for me.

You are just re-framing what happened. He reduced no-one to a 'blithering idiot'. He embarrassed himself and the office he has.
There was a clear decision across government to attack the judges, while saying they were respected. The plan is to create an ‘establishment enemy’, in Cumming’s language, and the aggressive approach was clearly coordinated and planned. Johnson has captured the Conservative Party for this aggressive and unpleasant style of politics. Unusual to see Cox descend to that kind of thing, but he cares little for his personal dignity these days it seems. Johnson never had any, so has less to lose.

He is boxing himself further and further into a corner. His problems are still there....Where's his deal? If there is one how is he now going to get MP's to vote for it after his performance last night?
If he speaks for you....you are just cannon fodder being played imo.