Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

Zero_Gravitas

Conina wrote: »

Telling the house that they are cowards for not tabling a no-confidence vote or allowing an election isn't lying when that is exactly what the house are doing, and it is because they know that their jobs wouldn't survive an election so Boris is right and you are, as usual, wrong.

“He will win who knows when to fight and when not to fight.” – Sun Tzu, The Art of War.

phillw

Conina wrote: »

Here's a reminder of why democracy is failing, look at the bottom of the shiny graphics and see how many MP's are opposed to doing the bidding of their electorate.

Democracy has moved on since 2016, the last GE proved that. Once Boris has delayed brexit and we have another GE then we'll all see how much further it has moved. You really need to get over it.

BikingBud

triathlon wrote: »

And how many of those leave votes are from white bitter angry failed males. I bet you most of the Remain votes were from rational anti racist ethnic groups, shame the percentage of them was not that little bit larger

That the bit remainers just don't get, it just doesn't matter at all!

Did it say you cannot vote if: you don't have Phd, you don't have 4 a-levels, you are from an ethnic minority, you are middle aged or any other fanciful reason that leads you to try and undermine the result?

Did it say if you are educated and female then your vote will count twice that of any "white bitter angry failed males". Nope don't think it did.

You can try to ascribe motivations of any origin to those that voted. The only thing that matters is they expressed their right to vote and did so in the manner that gave a majority to leave.

No matter how many times you come back to it or try to condemn those that voted as people with different backgrounds and beliefs: butchers, bakers, candlestick makers, even Chelsea or West Ham fans, you cannot change what occurred.

And you cannot change the fact that the MPs are not delivering what the electorate wanted and what they voted for in agreeing to submit A50.

lvader

triathlon wrote: »

And how many of those leave votes are from white bitter angry failed males. I bet you most of the Remain votes were from rational anti racist ethnic groups, shame the percentage of them was not that little bit larger

Your racist and sexist remarks have no place on here.

Herzlos

BikingBud wrote: »

How about delivering Brexit and then setting up the deals. At the moment all we have is a long running Mexican stand-off.

We can't agree on what Brexit is though, I agree we should deliver *something*, but a no deal is a terrible idea from a negotiating POV - it'll give all of the advantage to the EU and force us to accept anything to keep the braying mob happy.


I'm all for a no deal, purely as the fastest route into full EU membership.


Mays deal would let us move forward to the next stage, whilst avoiding most of the damage.


The problem we have is that there's no majority for anything, there are various contradicting views with no-one backing down and no-one with enough influence to do anything.


The only solution is another referendum and hope there's a majority for something. Even a GE isn't likely to fix anything and would be a proxy referendum at best.

Herzlos

lvader wrote: »

Your racist and sexist remarks have no place on here.

Not that I'm a fan of agreeing with Triathalon, but when you see all of these pro-Brexit rallies, how many attendees aren't angry white men?

lvader

It's still not acceptable, they are all individuals with the same rights as everyone.

Zero_Gravitas

lvader wrote: »

It's still not acceptable, they are all individuals with the same rights as everyone.

Yes they do. It's just a pity that they don't seem to be anywhere naer so prepared to return the favour...

phillw

lvader wrote: »

It's still not acceptable,

I look forward to seeing more respectful comments from you and the other leave supporters aimed at groups of people that they disagree with.

lvader wrote: »

Your racist and sexist remarks have no place on here.

Are you sure it's racist and sexist to say a group is predominantly made up of one race and gender? Isn't that just demographics? I accept it's largely irrelevant, as it's their terrible behavior that is important to judge.

lvader

phillw wrote: »

I look forward to seeing more respectful comments from you and the other leave supporters aimed at groups of people that they disagree with.

Strong disagreement, banter are all fine. Impugning people because of their gender or skin colour isn't.