Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

Crashy_Time

phillw wrote: »

There aren't. There are a lot of people who incorrectly think they will benefit from brexit. I'm sure Farage & JRM will think nice thoughts about the sacrifice leave voters made for the rich to get richer.

Nah, they know there is a political class who they severely dislike that will most certainly NOT benefit from Brexit, that is what it is about now, and like a ground war where the civilian population mobilise against the invader the Democracy Deniers won`t win this.

lvader

phillw wrote: »

There aren't. There are a lot of people who incorrectly think they will benefit from brexit. I'm sure Farage & JRM will think nice thoughts about the sacrifice leave voters made for the rich to get richer.



Why didn't they vote conservative then? TM clearly said that she needed a majority to be able to leave the EU. The electorate heard that message and decided they wouldn't vote conservative, reducing her majority.

The only logical conclusion is that the electorate doesn't want the conservatives to leave the EU.

That's a fallacy, I've seen interviews of northern Labour Brexit supporters saying they don't care about the economic side of Brexit.

phillw

Crashy_Time wrote: »

Nah, they know there is a political class who they severely dislike that will most certainly NOT benefit from Brexit, that is what it is about now, and like a ground war where the civilian population mobilise against the invader the Democracy Deniers won`t win this.

The poor are Cannon fodder for the rich, it's going to be a huge shock for some.

lvader wrote: »

That's a fallacy, I've seen interviews of northern Labour Brexit supporters saying they don't care about the economic side of Brexit.

How is that related to my point? TM clearly said that the opposition parties would block brexit, so if you didn't vote Conservative then you wanted to block brexit. Conservatives didn't gain a majority, they therefore don't have a mandate.

Some Brexit supporters might not care about the economic side, but that won't change the sacrifice they are making for JRM & Farage to increase their wealth. It just means they are happy to give JRM & Farage money, as is their right to do.

lvader

phillw wrote: »

The poor are Cannon fodder for the rich, it's going to be a huge shock for some.



How is that related to my point? TM clearly said that the opposition parties would block brexit, so if you didn't vote Conservative then you wanted to block brexit. Conservatives didn't gain a majority, they therefore don't have a mandate.

Brexit Labour supporters voted Labour while it was clear that they were still a Leave party. In the European elections those traditional Labour supporters disserted Labour. A similar thing happened with the conservative vote once it become clear that TM wouldn't allow a no deal Brexit.

Crashy_Time

phillw wrote: »

The poor are Cannon fodder for the rich, it's going to be a huge shock for some.



How is that related to my point? TM clearly said that the opposition parties would block brexit, so if you didn't vote Conservative then you wanted to block brexit. Conservatives didn't gain a majority, they therefore don't have a mandate.

Brexit supporters might not care about the economic side, but that won't change the sacrifice they are making for JRM & Farage to increase their wealth.

People didn`t believe that MP`s would try to block Brexit at that point...they do now though...so back then people were voting for who they wanted in government as we left the EU, now we are just going to get massive protest votes either for or against Brexit, nothing to do with party policy anymore.

phillw

lvader wrote: »

Brexit Labour supporters voted Labour while it was clear that they were still a Leave party.

The conservatives said that labour would obstruct leaving.
The labour party manifesto was clearly a remain/BRINO manifesto

Crashy_Time wrote: »

People didn`t believe that MP`s would try to block Brexit at that point...

So you're saying the electorate got it wrong in the 2017 election, they didn't know what they were voting for when both Conservatives and Labour made it clear. So we need to keep re-running the 2017 general election until they come up with the right result?

triathlon

lvader wrote: »

Yes, Torys also get attacked.

Not on the same level.
Not sure what world you are living in, but every Brexit related argument/fight I have seen in real life has always been started by some tattooed football type thug who waffles on about "the good old days of Great Britain"

triathlon

Takedap wrote: »

The ones that aren't rich don't really want it. It's just that they don't know that yet.

They are the group that will lose most in a No Deal scenario.

Yep, you almost want them to have it to make an example of them.

phillw

triathlon wrote: »

Yep, you almost want them to have it to make an example of them.

It's tempting, because we'll never have a Conservative government again. But it's still too reckless.

lvader

triathlon wrote: »

Not on the same level.

You don't remember the IRA bombing the conservative party conference in 1984?. An organisation supported by Corbyn.