Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

BikingBud

phillw wrote: »

There aren't. There are a lot of people who incorrectly think they will benefit from brexit. I'm sure Farage & JRM will think nice thoughts about the sacrifice leave voters made for the rich to get richer.

Why didn't they vote conservative then?

I'll see if I can make this simpler

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d12hAkkRGV4
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39630009

TM clearly laid out that if you wanted the Conservatives to leave the EU then you need to vote Conservative. The electorate decided against it.

"Every vote for the Conservatives will make it harder for opposition politicians who want to stop me from getting the job done.

"Every vote for the Conservatives will make me stronger when I negotiate for Britain with the prime ministers, presidents and chancellors of the European Union.

"Every vote for the Conservatives means we can stick to our plan for a stronger Britain and take the right long-term decisions for a more secure future.

The only logical conclusion is that the electorate doesn't want the conservatives to leave the EU.

Nope still don't get it. Simply pointing to what TM said before the 2017 GE does not support your statements. You are conflating again. The Conservatives are not leaving the EU. The UK should be.

Brexit is not a party political issue. Voters of all persuasions voted to leave. MPs of all persuasions voted on A50:

MPs have voted by a majority of 384 to allow Prime Minister Theresa May to get Brexit negotiations under way.
They backed the government's European Union Bill, supported by the Labour leadership, by 498 votes to 114.

And MPs of all persuasions are now failing to deliver on their commitment. Stop trying to sit this in the lap of the tories.

buglawton

lvader wrote: »

You don't remember the IRA bombing the conservative party conference in 1984?. An organisation supported by Corbyn.

The IRA or the Conservative Party? Serious question because currently he's awful reluctant to call a vote of no confidence.

Sailtheworld

cogito wrote: »

Some of us consider that the pro-EU frothers on the opposition benches are extremists too.

A tacit acknowledgement that the no-deal crew are extremists I suppose. Opposing no-deal isn't an extreme position though - I think it's where most people are.

cogito

lvader wrote: »

I don't know your age but everyone in the UK at the time was well aware of Sinn Fein and the IRA.

There is not a scintilla of doubt that Adams was a member of the IRA council. It simply suited the UK authorities to turn a blind eye to the fact.

Jonathan Powell's book Great Hatred:Little Room is a good read for anyone who may doubt this.

cogito

BikingBud wrote: »

Explain to us the niceties of the difference.

Don’t expect a reply. He's obviously clueless about the subject.

Takedap

triathlon wrote: »

Yep, you almost want them to have it to make an example of them.

That's getting closer every day.

It'll affect me less than most.

Sailtheworld

cogito wrote: »

There is not a scintilla of doubt that Adams was a member of the IRA council. It simply suited the UK authorities to turn a blind eye to the fact.

Of course it suited them - you don't need to negotiate peace with your friends.

Unless peace can be secured by the utter destruction of your enemies then you need to talk to them. Gerry Adams denies to this day ever being a member of the IRA - most people are willing to take a pinch of salt and move on because it gives some plausible deniability and allowed back door discussions to take place. He's had tea with the Queen for god's sake and I wouldn't call her an IRA supporter.

triathlon

lvader wrote: »

Trying to justify IRA bombing? Fine be that way.

That's why commonsense never prevails with people like you in the world, you are presented with an argument so you turn it into something else before you continue, typical Brexit mentality, cannot understand pure logic or truth, just hate, revenge and destruction.

Try reading about the black and tans and even the British occupation during the famine when there was still plenty off food in Eire as people died. But have you ever even read a book on the subject you seem to know so much about,

Tromking

Its only right that Corbyn and indeed McDonnell are confronted with their historical tacit support for Sinn Fein and the aims of its armed wing PIRA.
What we mustn't forget however is that this support was not just apparent in the more benign post troubles GFA era but when PIRA were murdering British civilians and military personnel at regular intervals at the height of the troubles.

buglawton

triathlon wrote: »

That's why commonsense never prevails with people like you in the world, you are presented with an argument so you turn it into something else before you continue, typical Brexit mentality, cannot understand pure logic or truth, just hate, revenge and destruction.

Try reading about the black and tans and even the British occupation during the famine when there was still plenty off food in Eire as people died. But have you ever even read a book on the subject you seem to know so much about,

Looks like the standard of debate here is getting down to that of Parliament yesterday.