Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

Herzlos

What makes you think it's about personal ambitions? If my kid was in an underfunded hospital and the leader of the party responsible was wandering around looking for good press then I'd be calling him on it regardless of affiliations.


It's sickening that people are trying to bury the complaint because the complainer was a Labour party activist. Address the content, not the messenger.

Sailtheworld

Zuzel wrote: »

Take it to the dedicated thread.
They disagree with you.

I'll try and get over it.

phillw

Zuzel wrote: »

What's "pretty offensive" is using your sick child in any way.

I agree, unfortunately for your argument he didn't use his sick child in any way.

If what you are saying is that people in a childrens ward are automatically supposed to just shut up and let Boris get on with his photo opportunity, then again that is pretty offensive.

Zuzel wrote: »

There are very clear procedures to complain in hospitals but no, this father just wanted to have a go in public because his nemesis was there & he knew there wasn't a thing Boris could do.

What are the clear procedures for a prime minister walking past with a press entourage? I certainly haven't been informed about it. Complaining in the hospital is pointless, they can't do anything about it because of the government & that is what they'll tell you if you complain

Zuzel

"If my kid was in an underfunded hospital" I'm pretty sure that my priority would be to get my child well enough to come home, not to have a rant at anyone.

phillw

Zuzel wrote: »

"If my kid was in an underfunded hospital" I'm pretty sure that my priority would be to get my child well enough to come home, not to have a rant at anyone.

Why do you assume those are mutually exclusive?

If you have the choice between

1. sitting with your child wondering when a doctor might appear
2. going and having a go at the PM

neither choice will improve the short term outcome for your child, but one of them could make a huge difference in the long term and for many more children.

He did the right thing by any measure, unless you think it's unfair that someone with the confidence to have a go at Boris happened to be in hospital at the same time & make him look bad. Which I suggest is the main objection.

Boris Johnson has said he is "glad" the father of a sick child confronted him during a hospital visit, declaring: "This isn't an embarrassment, this is part of my job".

Thrugelmir

phillw wrote: »

but one of them could make a huge difference in the long term and for many more children.

Must be a bad news day. Obviously an attempt to paper over Labour party divisions.

phillw

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Must be a bad news day. Obviously an attempt to paper over Labour party divisions.

Every day is a bad news day for the conservatives since they moved away from the center right. Did you mean "slow news day"?

Zuzel

phillw wrote: »

I agree, unfortunately for your argument he didn't use his sick child in any way.

Oh here we go.

So without this sick child what would this man have done and what would his argument have been?
:wall:

phillw wrote: »

If what you are saying is that people in a childrens ward are automatically supposed to just shut up and let Boris get on with his photo opportunity, then again that is pretty offensive.

You're offending yourself then because you said that, not me.
BTW how many of the other parents did you see or hear from?

phillw wrote: »

What are the clear procedures for a prime minister walking past with a press entourage? I certainly haven't been informed about it. Complaining in the hospital is pointless, they can't do anything about it because of the government. Boris wants the job, he needs to take the criticism.

Have you not been kept in the loop?
Well obviously the current accepted procedure when you see a PM in a hospital ward is to ignore your sick child, jump up and immediately harangue said Prime Minister.

From my (too frequent) visits to hospitals I can assure you that procedures informing people (both staff and patients) how to complain are very clearly displayed in multiple places.
It's almost impossible not to see them.
Regardless of how effective you think any complaints procedure is that is how it should be done - and it really doesn't matter if it's complaining about the Prime Minister, a doctor or a porter or about procedure.

phillw

Zuzel wrote: »

Oh here we go.

So without this sick child what would this man have done and what would his argument have been?
:wall:

Are you suggesting that if his child wasn't sick then he would be randomly hanging around hospitals anyway on the off chance Boris appeared? That would be kinda strange, but you have no evidence to support that view.

If he wasn't visiting then there would be no argument, because he wouldn't be there :T

Zuzel wrote: »

You're offending yourself then because you said that, not me.

It's a summary of your argument which you've repeated multiple times. :wall:
What part of the statement do you feel doesn't reflect your view?

Zuzel wrote: »

BTW how many of the other parents did you see or hear from?

Can you explain why that would make a difference?

Zuzel wrote: »

Have you not been kept in the loop?
Well obviously the current accepted procedure when you see a PM in a hospital ward is to ignore your sick child, jump up and immediately harangue said Prime Minister.

If constantly looking at people and avoiding talking to anyone else is in the NICE guidelines for making people better, then we are in big trouble. Please explain how "ignoring" his child made any difference, because if you can't then you're using his sick child as part of your argument. And you've already established that this is offensive. :T

Zuzel wrote: »

From my (too frequent) visits to hospitals I can assure you that procedures informing people (both staff and patients) how to complain are very clearly displayed in multiple places.
It's almost impossible not to see them.
Regardless of how effective you think any complaints procedure is that is how it should be done - and it really doesn't matter if it's complaining about the Prime Minister, a doctor or a porter or about procedure.

That is for the sheeple. That isn't what makes britain great, it's people standing up against injustice. That is what you're seeing here. That is why people won't just roll over and accept brexit, because it's solely based on increasing injustice.

Zuzel

You deny that the man used his child "in any way" above.
Then:

phillw wrote: »

Are you suggesting that if his child wasn't sick then he would be randomly hanging around hospitals anyway on the off chance Boris appeared? That would be kinda strange, but you have no evidence to support that view.

If he wasn't visiting then there would be no argument, because he wouldn't be there :T

So you accept that the man used his sick child at last, hurrah!
:T :T :T :T


Now forgive me for not taking the time to counter the rest of the nonsense but I have a life beyond here which means far more than this pointless bickering.
Maybe you should try it some time.