Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

lvader

movilogo wrote: »

EU will always grant extension. They can do it indefinitely to prevent UK from leaving.

I don't think they can do it unilaterally, eventually you will get one country that has some beef that doesn't play ball.

Conina

phillw wrote: »

If the election is a proxy referendum then we already had one of those and remain won, which saved us from Boris.

Where? When? I've certainly not had a vote so tell us where?

phillw wrote: »

If you want a referendum, have a referendum. You won't agree to it because you're petrified of the result.

We HAD a referendum & as a result we are supposed to leave the EU, remember (It was a while ago, maybe your memory isn't what it once was) and the reason you don't want an election is because you know that at this time Boris would win. You're all scared poopless and squirming like a bucket of frogs trying to get out because you know what the result would be.

phillw wrote: »

No, it's because to call an election you dissolve parliament & so there will be no more negotiating (that is the priority right?). We then don't know when a new government would be formed after the election. It could be a week or two, or maybe another election.

There's no negotiating time left anyway plus you're admitting you would lose if you don't know when a new government would be formed! Talk about scared!

phillw wrote: »

Enough of the project fear. If it DOES happen then you can expect a whitewash by anyone promising EU membership at the next opportunity.

Now I know you're just bull@@@tting - there is now way in hell would any party promising EU membership win a UK election for decades to come as I think you know only too well so it is just trying to bait other posters with frankly nonsensical ranting.

waamo

KPMG are forecasting a slowing of economic growth should there be no deal. It's of the magnitude of a 1.5% reduction in GDP which will tip us into the first recession in a decade if accurate.

Conversely leaving with a deal is forecast to lead to economic growth of around the same scale.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/sep/09/kpmg-predicts-no-deal-brexit-recession-in-2020

phillw

waamo wrote: »

KPMG are forecasting a slowing of economic growth should there be no deal. It's of the magnitude of a 1.5% reduction in GDP which will tip us into the first recession in a decade if accurate.

Conversely leaving with a deal is forecast to lead to economic growth of around the same scale.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/sep/09/kpmg-predicts-no-deal-brexit-recession-in-2020

Facts don't help you when your PM is gas lighting and half the electorate don't trust real experts, because they were told that they are sympathizers.

Conina wrote: »

Now I know you're just bull@@@tting - there is now way in hell would any party promising EU membership win a UK election for decades to come as I think you know only too well so it is just trying to bait other posters with frankly nonsensical ranting.

If we leave on october the 31st and it goes the way it's predicted, then joining the EU would actually be quite a good election strategy. I don't think all leave voters are xenophobic, some of them were conned by the promise of a better life outside the EU. Once they discover it was a lie, then why wouldn't they want to join the EU?

Or are you saying you DO think that the leave voters are all xenophobic?

As for bating, all that civil unrest rubbish leavers are talking about is just more project fear. I'm not going to let go of my principles and drop to your level just because you are trying to scare me. It's those types of people who got scared into voting to leave.

Theophile

Today, 9PM, BBC2, The Rise of the Nazis.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m00084td


Previous episode ('Politics') was compelling viewing - and available on iPlayer.

- framing an "out of touch elite" vs. "the people"
- far right coalition to keep the "Marxists/Communists/Unions" out of power.
- a narcissistic leader with a sense of 'Destiny'.
- labeling opponents as traitors



For those who wish to see.....the parallels with today's UK are obvious.

movilogo

UK recession fears recede amid surprise economic growth

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/sep/09/uk-recession-economic-growth-gdp

phillw

movilogo wrote: »

UK recession fears recede amid surprise economic growth

July seems like a long way away now though.

buglawton

Theophile wrote: »

Today, 9PM, BBC2, The Rise of the Nazis.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m00084td

Previous episode ('Politics') was compelling viewing - and available on iPlayer.

- framing an "out of touch elite" vs. "the people"
- far right coalition to keep the "Marxists/Communists/Unions" out of power.
- a narcissistic leader with a sense of 'Destiny'.
- labeling opponents as traitors

For those who wish to see.....the parallels with today's UK are obvious.

British politician goes to Europe with an appeasement deal. Luckily the British public and Parliament saw the danger and didn't accept any deal with a dominant dictatorship in Europe.

That was Neville Chamberlain in 1938.

Sailtheworld

Government release Operation Yellowhammer papers.

Reasonable worse case scenarios in the event of a no-deal brexit. Gove says the situation is far different now from when the report was issued (all of 4 weeks ago). He'll also detail some of the work the government has done to mitigate the potential negative outcomes. So maybe an update on negotiations with the EU.

No reasonable person would now support a no-deal brexit. The UK's cards are all on the table - Boris is bluffing (or mad; or rich enough not to care and his personal security wont be affected anyway)


Quite a long and stark list. I thought the worse case would an epidemic of sunburn as we walk along the sunlit uplands of brexit.

Takedap

Sailtheworld wrote: »

Government release Operation Yellowhammer papers.

Reasonable worse case scenarios in the event of a no-deal brexit. Gove says the situation is far different now from when the report was issued (all of 4 weeks ago). He'll also detail some of the work the government has done to mitigate the potential negative outcomes. So maybe an update on negotiations with the EU.

No reasonable person would now support a no-deal brexit. The UK's cards are all on the table - Boris is bluffing (or mad; or rich enough not to care and his personal security wont be affected anyway)


Quite a long and stark list. I thought the worse case would an epidemic of sunburn as we walk along the sunlit uplands of brexit.

Ah but Boris will be revealing the details of his deal very soon. After all, he did agree to a 30 deadline with Angela Merkel didn't he?
And he must have had a plan. He wouldn't lie would be???