Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

movilogo

Most amusing bit is now Labour's dilemma. They are running away from GE because they know public has caught them out sitting on fence.

They want to project themselves as remain party but can't say it out loud for fear of losing leave votes

Let the GE be fight between Leave and Remain. This is 2nd ref that remainers wanted.

Thrugelmir

movilogo wrote: »

Most amusing bit is now Labour's dilemma. They are running away from GE because they know public has caught them out sitting on fence.

Labour are a split party. Momentum aren't ready yet to deselect MP's that aren't pro Corbyn.

movilogo

Labour are a split party

Both Labour and Tories are split. These 2 parties should break apart and new Leave and Remain parties should be formed. Whether Brexit happens or not, it has laid bare how 2 party system is obsolete.

Long live the new 2-party system.

MaxiRobriguez

movilogo wrote: »

Most amusing bit is now Labour's dilemma. They are running away from GE because they know public has caught them out sitting on fence.

They want to project themselves as remain party but can't say it out loud for fear of losing leave votes

Let the GE be fight between Leave and Remain. This is 2nd ref that remainers wanted.

They're not running away from an election, they will simply not accept one with a possibility of the date set in November after a no-deal exit has occurred - something that is currently entirely in the hands of the PM to decide.

Once any bill is passed that enshrines a general election whilst the UK is still in the EU, Labour will readily accept and challenge an election.

It's really not that difficult to understand their position. They would have been lambasted for naivety had they agreed to a GE and Boris set the date to 1st November.

Thrugelmir

MaxiRobriguez wrote: »

They're not running away from an election, they will simply not accept one with a possibility of the date set in November after a no-deal exit has occurred - something that is currently entirely in the hands of the PM to decide.

Laws can be rescinded. A few weeks isn't going to change the outcome.

MaxiRobriguez

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Laws can be rescinded. A few weeks isn't going to change the outcome.

Laws can be rescinded if there is a majority in parliament to do so. Boris doesn't have a majority to do so, whereas the opposition and rebels combined do.

Boris may win a majority at an election at a GE arranged after an extension is granted, at which point he could repeal that law and reinstate a Brexit date of the 31st if we haven't got to that point yet.

But, Boris might not win that election, so why would Labour commit to an election in which Boris could set the date after 31st October.

A few weeks in this instance makes a massive difference. What Labour are doing is putting the prevention of a no-deal exit slightly higher in their priority order than a general election. Once that is achieved, the next item - the GE - can be sought..

.. Assuming Boris at that point still wants one, which may be less likely given he can't use the process to force through Brexit during the campaign period.

lvader

Once the extension is requested, granted and signed off by the EU it can't be changed unilaterally by the UK.

Takedap

lvader wrote: »

The remain MP have it in their hands tomorrow to cancel Brexit, it seems they will abdicate all responsibility and leave it to BJ to do something he has said he will not do and hope no EU country that wants to make history and boot out the UK regardless. Great idea!

Boris really doesn't care what happens so long as it has someone else's fingerprints on it.


If he can get out of this situation without being blamed, he'll be happy.

lvader

Takedap wrote: »

Boris really doesn't care what happens so long as it has someone else's fingerprints on it.


If he can get out of this situation without being blamed, he'll be happy.

Motives are a bit hard to attribute, it's actions that count. If you don't like his actions then his motives aren't important anyway.

Thrugelmir

lvader wrote: »

Once the extension is requested, granted and signed off by the EU it can't be changed unilaterally by the UK.

What benefit is there to the EU granting yet another extension. The EU has domestic policy it needs to move on. Not least budget setting. The UK being in or out has a material bearing. Likewise if the UK meets the "divorce bill".