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Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

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  • lvader
    lvader Posts: 2,579 Forumite
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    Herzlos wrote: »
    You'll need a citation for Trump denouncing the far right. He'd called them "very nice people" previously.

    “These barbaric slaughters are an assault upon our communities, an attack against our nation and a crime against all of humanity,” Trump said. “Hate has no place in America. In one voice, our nation must condemn racism, bigotry and white supremacy.”
  • phillw
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    lvader wrote: »
    “These barbaric slaughters are an assault upon our communities, an attack against our nation and a crime against all of humanity,” Trump said. “Hate has no place in America. In one voice, our nation must condemn racism, bigotry and white supremacy.”

    Yeah, he is a moderate liberal with really bad luck https://www.salon.com/2019/08/29/trump-accidentally-signals-affinity-with-white-nationalists-in-new-campaign-logo/

    Or he's guilty of gaslighting. One or the other.
  • lvader
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    phillw wrote: »
    Yeah, he is a moderate liberal with really bad luck https://www.salon.com/2019/08/29/trump-accidentally-signals-affinity-with-white-nationalists-in-new-campaign-logo/

    Or he's guilty of gaslighting. One or the other.

    No he is just a moron, but at least he tries to keep campaign promises.
  • phillw
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    lvader wrote: »
    No he is just a moron, but at least he tries to keep campaign promises.

    He did?

    https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/trumpometer/
  • angrypirate
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    phillw wrote: »
    The EU allows nationalization, if there is a business case. It doesn't allow it in the case of a failing business because it's then anti competitive.

    I don't think the government should step in and pump money into failing businesses either. It's one of the things I like about the EU the most.

    Nationalized railways are big in the EU, we're the odd one out as the largest country with a privatized railway.

    Thats not the type of renationalisation that Labour are planning. They are planning on state mandated hostile takeovers with artificially low valuations of these companies on a par with Venezuela. This will see the stock market plummet and there will be a lot of pension pots that will suffer .
  • phillw
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    edited 3 September 2019 at 2:26PM
    They are planning on state mandated hostile takeovers with artificially low valuations of these companies on a par with Venezuela.

    The shareholders are annoyed that the underfunded employee pensions have to be paid up to date before they get their cut, rather than making the tax payer stump up the bill.

    He's also making the argument they should give the tax payers money back they received in subsidies as well.

    As long as they aren't doing it to bail out a failing business then I don't think the EU rules come into play.
  • lvader
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    phillw wrote: »

    On balance I still say yes. Most of the arguments against him are for things he said he would do.

    https://www.promiseskept.com/ (the other side of the story)
  • angrypirate
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    bioboybill wrote: »
    Boris and his pals in the ERG have been banging on forever about "alternative arrangements" to the backstop, but the truth is they have never been able to say what these are. Boris has told the EU that he wants it removed from the withdrawal agreement, and they have said that if he comes up with a workable alternative they are willing to listen. He hasn't, because there isn't one, so this claim that his "negotiations" are being undermined just doesn't wash.

    Members of the ERG want us out of the EU at any cost so they don't have to be transparent about where they are hiding their money in tax havens. Rees-Mogg says he is confident of the UK being successful out of the EU, but he has moved 2 of his hedge funds to Ireland. He says that there may be a lot of pain for us after Brexit, but the UK will be better off in 50 years. That's easy to say when you are estimated to have made £7m from the fallout over Brexit already. I don't think his family will be feeling the pain.
    Various proposals have been put forward but they dont wash. Why? Well, Varadkar let this slip yesterday on the news - he decreed that the issue wasnt making the board frctionless, rather the issue is having a board at all. All of Ireland must have the same duties and tariffs. The means it needs to be in a customs union. That means backstop or bust. Gotta feeling its gonna be bust.
  • phillw
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    lvader wrote: »
    On balance I still say yes. Most of the arguments against him are for things he said he would do.

    https://www.promiseskept.com/ (the other side of the story)

    I'm not sure a web site that states

    Paid for by Donald J. Trump for President, Inc.

    Can really be used for balance.
  • lvader
    lvader Posts: 2,579 Forumite
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    phillw wrote: »
    I'm not sure a web site that states

    Paid for by Donald J. Trump for President, Inc.

    Can really be used for balance.

    No its not, but neither is the left wing claptrap you quoted.
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