Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

lvader

Herzlos wrote: »

Left wing: 1 thrown milkshake.
Right wing: 1 murdered MP.


The arrest statistics for the rallies/protests/events are wildly different too, as are the threats coming from each side.



Which side is violent again?
Can you provide any citations showing the left wing is more violent than the right?

There are some evil people on the far right which is why it's its so bad to call regular centre right people as far right. Also left wing activists do not generally target those on the far right because the numbers are too small to care instead they target the centre right that do not have a violent bone in their body, it's not just milkshakes either.

Herzlos

The centre-right condone and encourage the far right. Keep them in check and you won't be tarred with the same brush

StevieJ

buglawton wrote: »

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/hamas-thanks-jeremy-corbyn-labour-leader-message-rally-pro-palestinian-a8917691.html

Doesn't Corbyn secretly support Leave?

lvader

Herzlos wrote: »

The centre-right condone and encourage the far right. Keep them in check and you won't be tarred with the same brush

They don't, classical liberals believe in freedom of speech, but that isn't the same as condoning. Even trump has come out to denounce the far right.

bioboybill

Boris and his pals in the ERG have been banging on forever about "alternative arrangements" to the backstop, but the truth is they have never been able to say what these are. Boris has told the EU that he wants it removed from the withdrawal agreement, and they have said that if he comes up with a workable alternative they are willing to listen. He hasn't, because there isn't one, so this claim that his "negotiations" are being undermined just doesn't wash.

Members of the ERG want us out of the EU at any cost so they don't have to be transparent about where they are hiding their money in tax havens. Rees-Mogg says he is confident of the UK being successful out of the EU, but he has moved 2 of his hedge funds to Ireland. He says that there may be a lot of pain for us after Brexit, but the UK will be better off in 50 years. That's easy to say when you are estimated to have made £7m from the fallout over Brexit already. I don't think his family will be feeling the pain.

Herzlos

lvader wrote: »

They don't, classical liberals believe in freedom of speech, but that isn't the same as condoning. Even trump has come out to denounce the far right.

You'll need a citation for Trump denouncing the far right. He'd called them "very nice people" previously.

Doesn't Corbyn secretly support Leave?

He's pretty open about not liking the EU, but he doesn't want to destroy our economy in order to leave it.

StevieJ

Herzlos wrote: »

You'll need a citation for Trump denouncing the far right. He'd called them "very nice people" previously.



He's pretty open about not liking the EU, but he doesn't want to destroy our economy in order to leave it.

I think it is more like the Labour members/Momentum asking him to 'toe the line'

Jeremy Corbyn has refused to follow two senior colleagues who say they would back Remain in any further Brexit referendum.
His close allies Diane Abbott and John McDonnell both say they would campaign for Remain, regardless of the other options on the ballot paper.
But the Labour leader chose only to say he would campaign for Remain if the alternative was no deal.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49405423

phillw

StevieJ wrote: »

I think it is more like the Labour members/Momentum asking him to 'toe the line'

You can think what you like, but he has repeatedly said he wants to remain in the EU and try to reform it from the inside.

It's possible it's all a trick to fool you, but I don't see what the upside would be for him.

bioboybill wrote: »

He says that there may be a lot of pain for us after Brexit, but the UK will be better off in 50 years.

Actually he said "it might be 50 years". I don't believe it was a scientific number, he just said it because he knew he'd be dead by the time someone wanted to complain that he was wrong. He doesn't know and doesn't care.

The answer could be never, although some people will say "it might be sooner than 50 years".

I'd expect JRM as one of the architects of this ball of hate to have some idea what would happen when the plug gets pulled. At the moment most leave voters are basing it on hope, because they don't want to feel bad about the way they voted.

Enterprise_1701C

phillw wrote: »

You can think what you like, but he has repeatedly said he wants to remain in the EU and try to reform it from the inside.

It's possible it's all a trick to fool you, but I don't see what the upside would be for him.

He wants out, he needs out because his plans for renationalisation would not be permitted under eu rules.

phillw

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

He wants out, he needs out because his plans for renationalisation would not be permitted under eu rules.

The EU allows nationalization, if there is a business case. It doesn't allow it in the case of a failing business because it's then anti competitive.

I don't think the government should step in and pump money into failing businesses either. It's one of the things I like about the EU the most.

Nationalized railways are big in the EU, we're the odd one out as the largest country with a privatized railway.