Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

triathlon

Nearly 70% now know that Brexit was built on lies, it is now time to take on these Brexiteers using any means and go back to some kind of normality

Backbiter

Tammykitty wrote: »

You do realise that Gove is talking about a trade deal which the EU won't discuss until we leave the EU and not a withdrawal agreement?


The withdrawal agreement is not a trade deal - it is an agreement that trade will continue and we will remain a member of the customs union etc, until such times as we get a trade deal in place - and if the EU won't agree a trade deal (what incentive do they have if we can't unilaterally leave the customs union etc?) the arrangements of the withdrawal agreement will continue indefinitely.

No, he was talking about a negotiated withdrawal agreement, which is why he referenced March 29th:

“But we didn’t vote to leave without a deal. That wasn’t the message of the campaign I helped lead. During that campaign, we said we should do a deal with the EU and be part of the network of free trade deals that covers all Europe, from Iceland to Turkey.” For good measure, he added: “Leaving without a deal on March 29 would not honour that commitment. It would undoubtedly cause economic turbulence.”

Tromking

triathlon wrote: »

Nearly 70% now know that Brexit was built on lies, it is now time to take on these Brexiteers using any means and go back to some kind of normality

You think overturning a free and fair referendum will bring a period of normality?
In fact the opposite is true.
Might be useful if you defined what you mean by “using any means” when it comes to you “taking on these Brexiteers”

SpiderLegs

Tromking wrote: »

You think overturning a free and fair referendum will bring a period of normality?
In fact the opposite is true.
Might be useful if you defined what you mean by “using any means” when it comes to you “taking on these Brexiteers”

Probably means bore them to death with endless rants about the losers over on HPC

1Foz

Have to say, I never expected this whole process to take 3 and a half years or whatever it is.

I'm very uneasy about our future. I'll be honest and say I was probably less informed leading into the referendum as I am now (without question). Was still going through a break up at that time so was probably not the best head space to be in to vote for anything, but I did anyway. Even til the night before I was not sure whether to vote one way or the other. Maybe I should have stayed at home, though my single vote would not have changed anything anyway, so, meh. I reckon I was less than 60-40 going into that polling booth in favour of voting to leave. I would say I was probanly actually pretty close to the 52-48 figure we ended up with. Maybe its not surprising we are where we are.

If we had to vote again, i'm not sure I would next time. I don't at all regret my vote or feel I would seek to change it with a fresh vote, but while I feel more informed now than before, I am actually less sure of how I would vote as a result. So, maybe I did the right thing in 2016....I mean, by at least turning up. Cos I'm not sure I would second time around!

Arklight

1Foz wrote: »

Have to say, I never expected this whole process to take 3 and a half years or whatever it is.

I'm very uneasy about our future. I'll be honest and say I was probably less informed leading into the referendum as I am now (without question). Was still going through a break up at that time so was probably not the best head space to be in to vote for anything, but I did anyway. Even til the night before I was not sure whether to vote one way or the other. Maybe I should have stayed at home, though my single vote would not have changed anything anyway, so, meh. I reckon I was less than 60-40 going into that polling booth in favour of voting to leave. I would say I was probanly actually pretty close to the 52-48 figure we ended up with. Maybe its not surprising we are where we are.

If we had to vote again, i'm not sure I would next time. I don't at all regret my vote or feel I would seek to change it with a fresh vote, but while I feel more informed now than before, I am actually less sure of how I would vote as a result. So, maybe I did the right thing in 2016....I mean, by at least turning up. Cos I'm not sure I would second time around!

It's this kind of commitment from Leavers that will see us through the dark days ahead.

phillw

Tromking wrote: »

You think overturning a free and fair referendum will bring a period of normality?
In fact the opposite is true.

It's relative, what you're talking about will happen either way. But if we leave without a deal then in addition there will be people who go further into poverty.

undetterred wrote: »

Cmon like the EU looked after Greece, yeah sure the jocks will get looked after.

The EU looked after Greece a whole lot better than we've looked after Scotland.

We've also stolen from both of them.

buglawton

phillw wrote: »

It's relative, what you're talking about will happen either way. But if we leave without a deal then in addition there will be people who go further into poverty.

The EU looked after Greece a whole lot better than we've looked after Scotland.

We've also stolen from both of them.

You mean that the EU's regional aid budget was directed towards Greece in preference to Scotland?

phillw

buglawton wrote: »

You mean that the EU's regional aid budget was directed towards Greece in preference to Scotland?

Why would it need it? We haven't left the EU and inflicted economic harm on everyone in the UK yet.

lisyloo

phillw wrote: »

Why would it need it? We haven't left the EU and inflicted economic harm on everyone in the UK yet.

I would have said a fall in sterling affects most people, wouldn’t you?