Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

BikingBud

Arklight wrote: »

I don't know, why don't you have a nice long think about that and answer it yourself? I think Brexit is a terrible idea, I have provided evidence as to why. Many times, all us enemies of the people remoaners have.

You think Brexit is a great idea. You can provide no evidence at all as to why, and have full confidence in a hopeless political party set up to represent the landed gentry to deliver it for you.

I have confidence in us as a nation. We are full of bright, committed, energetic people that have the skills, aptitude, attitude and abilities to deliver currently unthinkable and unrecognisable capabilities.

But we have a specific brand of naysayers, a set of old washer women that sit in the corner tutting and waiting for the sky to fall in. It's always someones else fault, I mean just look at the sig block the mayo has included

Don't blame me, I voted Remain.

Let's stop the self pity and rise to the challenges that are out there. Let's challenge our youngsters and our students to make something with their lives, to enhance the world

I often think that if it was always left to people with the remaining attitude we would still be living in caves and in the dark, wondering why we were cold and wet and dark.

BikingBud

Herzlos wrote: »

His point is that the Tories will be looking out for the poster if they are rich, otherwise they won't.

Stereotyping:rotfl:

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Crashy_Time

stingey wrote: »

Brexit has been crazy. For the past 3 years I've noticed a surprising number of revelations and also times I've started to actually agree with the Leave campaign . For a woman living in Scotland and growing up as a child of Thatcher and seen what she did to my country, I've had a strong belief that Scotland should be Independent and I campaigned ferociously in 2014. BUT I've found recently that there are opinions I can't bring together and I'm starting to agree with people who I've see for most of my life as the 'enemy' (Tories).

- The belief that Scotland is rich and strong enough Independent from the UK, but the Remain campaign telling us that Britain as a whole is too weak and too poor to be Independent from the EU.

- That Leave voters are 'white-van-driving/kuckle-dragging/Union-flag-waving/right-wing/racist idiots'. I know of doctors/solicitors/middle class people and many good hard-working/law-abiding people of all classes who voted leave. These people who truly believe that to give the future generations of this country a better life is to be out of the EU. Just the same as I believe to stop my kids experiencing the life I did growing up is to be out of the UK.

- We have to go with the majority in a democracy. This is had to be accepted by all Yes voters in 2014. The majority of the UK voted leave. It has to be accepted. The Withdrawal Agreement has been rejected 3 times by Parliament, we can't stay in limbo forever. Boris Johnson has been elected by a majority of the Conservative party, who have been elected by a majority of voters in the UK to form a government. This allows them to govern, suspend Parliament, call a GE etc, they are allowed to do this because they have been elected by a majority to do so. I have to agree with Jacob Rees-Mogg, it's either change the government or change the law.

- Twitter is not a place to find concrete opinion and is not a resemblence of what is happening in the world. Remain voters will see other Remain voters tweets and Leave voters will see Leave voter tweets. You will rarely see a difference of opinion due to algorithims and half the time you are shouting into a void. I found this because in 2016 I was seeing Remain tweets, probably due to by previous Scottish Independence tweets. It wasn't until AFTER the EU ref that I was talking to people and they were telling me how they were really feeling and it was not anything close to what I was seeing on Twitter.

Sorry for the long post, I have not posted my opnion on this, but I feel it's time we move on from this. We have had the referendem, given time for debate and now we need to move on. I think a GE before Brexit Day would just add fuel to the fire andis pointless. I would hazard a guess that the outcome would be the same, a Tory goverment.

This morning as we were driving to school we were listening to the radio and I was explaining to my kids what prorouging Parliament meant and I asked them for their opinions, my 10 year old said "I wish it was all over." I had to agree.

Very good post IMO. Yes, the idea that Scotland can take on the world on it`s own to the tune of Braveheart and the UK is a tiny whimpering bullied puppy without the EU is one of the more ludicrous claims that people seem to fall for, I truly believe that Scotland on it`s own joining the euro would be ten times the disaster for Scotland that staying in a post-Brexit UK will be.

mayonnaise

BikingBud wrote: »

I have confidence in us as a nation. We are full of bright, committed, energetic people that have the skills, etc....

Yes, they're called Remainers. :cheesy:

Moby

BikingBud wrote: »

No but you are perpetuating this discourse on the very subject of what you feel is correct and proper. Therefore you must have some perspective of when this discourse has run its course. Or we continue ad infinitum or until the cows come home whichever is the sooner.

BTW the answer is 42 now what's the question?

My view as stated is the will of Parliament prevails. As I've said we elect MP's and have representative Govm't. MP's are not delegates, they are not there to just express the wishes of the electorate. That is why it was always wrong to decide an issue as complicated as this by way of referendum.
Ben Wallace has let the cat out of the bag it seems!
https://twitter.com/TotalPolitics/status/1167077838920572928

Fran_Klee

mayonnaise wrote: »

Yes, they're called Remainers. :cheesy:

It's good to see that diehard remainers haven't lost their sense of humour, they'll certainly need it in the coming weeks.

Maybe if there had been more of that humour from remainers regarding Brexit instead of their usual nastiness and deception there wouldn't now be as much division and ill-feeling in our country.

BikingBud

mayonnaise wrote: »

Yes, they're called Remainers. :cheesy:

Call them what you will but do you have confidence in their abilities to be innovators, designers, developers and progressive thinkers able and committed to generate wealth for the country? To enhance it for all?


Or are you just going to hide behind name calling and follow the example of our elected representative to perpetuate the squabbling that we would not tolerate from 8 year olds?

BikingBud

Moby wrote: »

My view as stated is the will of Parliament prevails. As I've said we elect MP's and have representative Govm't. MP's are not delegates, they are not there to just express the wishes of the electorate. That is why it was always wrong to decide an issue as complicated as this by way of referendum.

From: https://nationalcareers.service.gov.uk/job-profiles/mp

MP
Alternative titles for this job include Member of Parliament, elected representative, constituency representative, politician

MPs represent people's concerns and interests in the House of Commons.

or
from https://www.parliament.uk/about/mps-and-lords/members/mps/

The UK public elects Members of Parliament (MPs) to represent their interests and concerns in the House of Commons. MPs consider and can propose new laws as well as raising issues that matter to you in the House. This includes asking government ministers questions about current issues including those which affect local constituents.

Seems to me they are there to represent our interests. And how do we tell them what our specific interest are?

Respond to the referendum? Job done!:beer:

Moe_The_Bartender

shaggydoo wrote: »

MP Chris Leslie said on Sky that Parliament will probably sit next Friday (it wasn't supposed to) and the weekend - there is 3 days they've got back....and there is nothing to stop them sitting all night....


Now they just have to agree on something....

Hilarious! without the mace and the official seal of parliament they are just a bunch of people in a room.

They can sit in the chamber for as long as they want, it means nothing.

buglawton

Well, the call went up in the media that BJ has just attacked democracy. He's the new dictator! How ironic. With FPTP we have never lived in real democracy. Instead we have that political sports arena, Parliament.

If we lived in a real democracy in the first place there'd probably be 20 Brexit MPs right now.

Live by FPTP, die by it, politically speaking.