Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

Tromking

mayonnaise wrote: »

Sure, it was the legal default on 29 March also.

Touch!
The point being however that the inbuilt opposition in Parliament to no deal has not resulted (so far) in it being binned. Our MP’s collectively are not ending the threat of no deal, that would require some spine, they’re just delaying Brexit.
As you’ve said yourself, that situation can’t go on.

Herzlos

Tromking wrote: »

Wow, that’s some rhetorical gymnastics you’ve gone through there to make not much of a point in the end.

It's basic logic. The only reference you've got for Brexit leaving the single market was a campaign against it, because it wasn't actually a part of the Leave campaign. It wasn't suggested as an option until much, much later.

To answer your question as to what I want, I want them to do as they’re told. After all, they did ask me if I wanted to remain in the EU or not. That should be your wish to, but inexplicably it isn’t.

I'm actually quite glad our MP's are doing their job by trying to decide on a solution instead of blindly doing what they were told. That it's taken them 3 years to still not make any ground shows how hard it is to do it in a way that makes enough people happy.

mayonnaise

BikingBud wrote: »

We have to move on.

Agreed.

Tromking wrote: »

As you’ve said yourself, that situation can’t go on.

Agreed.

SpiderLegs wrote: »

Hurrah we are all agreed!

Moby

BikingBud wrote: »

But we cannot debate endlessly.

How long do you suggest is adequate to debate?

For 6 weeks? 12 weeks? Until you get the answer you wish? Have you asked your mum and auntie Joan yet, or just you grandma and grandad?

The Speaker previously rejected a 3rd debate, what if anything has really changed?

The country is paralysed by inactivity and indecision.

We have at some point to get off the fence and make decisions.

This decision provides that focus.

The academics can do all the research and review and blame after the event but we have to move forward based upon the will of the electorate and the decision of the House.

Totally disingenuous response....the answer to the questions you raise above are for our parliament to answer.... not for individuals like you or me. Just because you feel the need to move on....doesn't make it right. We elect MP's. We have a representative form of Govmt. This is a clash between the 'direct democracy' of populism and proper representative Govmt. If you want populism, dictatorship etc just be honest and own it. Don't pretend that you voted for brexit to allow our parliament to 'take back control'!

Moby

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SpiderLegs

Moby wrote: »

Totally disingenuous response....the answer to the questions you raise above are for our parliament to answer.... not for individuals like you or me. Just because you feel the need to move on....doesn't make it right. We elect MP's. We have a representative form of Govmt. This is a clash between the 'direct democracy' of populism and proper representative Govmt. If you want populism, dictatorship etc just be honest and own it. Don't pretend that you voted for brexit to allow our parliament to 'take back control'!

Looks like another vote lost thanks to Labour’s ‘let’s have another referendum’ policy.

BikingBud

mayonnaise wrote: »

Agreed.

Agreed.

So was it the Government or leaving the Eu?

So what next?

BikingBud

Moby wrote: »

Totally disingenuous response....the answer to the questions you raise above are for our parliament to answer.... not for individuals like you or me. Just because you feel the need to move on....doesn't make it right. We elect MP's. We have a representative form of Govmt. This is a clash between the 'direct democracy' of populism and proper representative Govmt. If you want populism, dictatorship etc just be honest and own it. Don't pretend that you voted for brexit to allow our parliament to 'take back control'!

No but you are perpetuating this discourse on the very subject of what you feel is correct and proper. Therefore you must have some perspective of when this discourse has run its course. Or we continue ad infinitum or until the cows come home whichever is the sooner.

BTW the answer is 42 now what's the question?

stingey

Brexit has been crazy. For the past 3 years I've noticed a surprising number of revelations and also times I've started to actually agree with the Leave campaign . For a woman living in Scotland and growing up as a child of Thatcher and seen what she did to my country, I've had a strong belief that Scotland should be Independent and I campaigned ferociously in 2014. BUT I've found recently that there are opinions I can't bring together and I'm starting to agree with people who I've see for most of my life as the 'enemy' (Tories).

- The belief that Scotland is rich and strong enough Independent from the UK, but the Remain campaign telling us that Britain as a whole is too weak and too poor to be Independent from the EU.

- That Leave voters are 'white-van-driving/kuckle-dragging/Union-flag-waving/right-wing/racist idiots'. I know of doctors/solicitors/middle class people and many good hard-working/law-abiding people of all classes who voted leave. These people who truly believe that to give the future generations of this country a better life is to be out of the EU. Just the same as I believe to stop my kids experiencing the life I did growing up is to be out of the UK.

- We have to go with the majority in a democracy. This is had to be accepted by all Yes voters in 2014. The majority of the UK voted leave. It has to be accepted. The Withdrawal Agreement has been rejected 3 times by Parliament, we can't stay in limbo forever. Boris Johnson has been elected by a majority of the Conservative party, who have been elected by a majority of voters in the UK to form a government. This allows them to govern, suspend Parliament, call a GE etc, they are allowed to do this because they have been elected by a majority to do so. I have to agree with Jacob Rees-Mogg, it's either change the government or change the law.

- Twitter is not a place to find concrete opinion and is not a resemblence of what is happening in the world. Remain voters will see other Remain voters tweets and Leave voters will see Leave voter tweets. You will rarely see a difference of opinion due to algorithims and half the time you are shouting into a void. I found this because in 2016 I was seeing Remain tweets, probably due to by previous Scottish Independence tweets. It wasn't until AFTER the EU ref that I was talking to people and they were telling me how they were really feeling and it was not anything close to what I was seeing on Twitter.

Sorry for the long post, I have not posted my opnion on this, but I feel it's time we move on from this. We have had the referendem, given time for debate and now we need to move on. I think a GE before Brexit Day would just add fuel to the fire andis pointless. I would hazard a guess that the outcome would be the same, a Tory goverment.

This morning as we were driving to school we were listening to the radio and I was explaining to my kids what prorouging Parliament meant and I asked them for their opinions, my 10 year old said "I wish it was all over." I had to agree.

ben501

BikingBud wrote: »

BTW the answer is 42 now what's the question?

Three weeks from now, how many days will there be until we're due to leave the EU?