Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

mayonnaise

ben501 wrote: »

Three weeks from now, how many days will there be until we're due to leave the EU?

I prefer the old countdown clock

https://howmanydaystill.com/its/brexit-6

Backbiter

The cabinet's views on prorogation, in a sngle thread. They recognise it's a shocking idea.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1166821141207494656.html

adindas

BikingBud wrote: »

Valiant democrats? It would be good to see who they are.

Like these people probably because these people seem to be valiant democrats now:

Heidi Allen (Conservative - South Cambridgeshire)
Anna Soubry (Conservative - Broxtowe)
Mr Chuka Umunna (Labour - Streatham)
Mr Philip Hammond (Conservative - Runnymede and Weybridge)
Yvette Cooper (Labour - Normanton, Pontefract and Castleford)
Jeremy Corbyn (Labour - Islington North)
Mr Dominic Grieve (Conservative - Beaconsfield)
Mr George Osborne (Conservative - Tatton)
Mr David Gauke (Conservative - South West Hertfordshire)
Keir Starmer (Labour - Holborn and St Pancras)

But See their background. These people have betrayed their fellow remainers by voting to trigger Article 50 where they still have a very good chance to reverse Brexit. Some people like Gina Miller lost their money expecting these people to reverse Brexit. Those who have been betrayed might want to remember their name in the next GE.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/article-50-parliament-mps-vote-brexit-theresa-may-eu-negotiations-labour-conservative-how-voted-a7558291.html

phillw

Tromking wrote: »

That bit was covered by the leaders of the official remain campaign, Cameron and Osborne, who made the odd speech or two to that effect.

Which all you liars said was project fear, so it's kinda hard for you to go back now and claim that everyone knew what would happen.

You can't have it both ways you know. Oh wait you can, you just add in more lies to your ever increasing pile.

Who would have thought this situation would have been predicted 42 years ago ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3OiIjIvN0A

ess0two

phillw wrote: »

Which all you liars said was project fear, so it's kinda hard for you to go back now and claim that everyone knew what would happen.

You can't have it both ways you know. Oh wait you can, you just add in more lies to your ever increasing pile.

Who would have thought this situation would have been predicted 42 years ago ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3OiIjIvN0A

What lies? I remember Obama telling us we'd be bottom of the pile if we left? Yet Trump seems amenable....

phillw

ess0two wrote: »

What lies? I remember Obama telling us we'd be bottom of the pile if we left? Yet Trump seems amenable....

The US government says that we won't get a trade deal if there is a border in Ireland, I think you're being selective.

Trump is one of the pawns in the alt right movement, he's below solar panel salesmen in his trustworthiness

As for what lies, how about "nobody is talking about leaving the single market?" The UK farmers were told that we'd have all the benefits of EU membership with less red tape. That is why they are so !!!!ed off right now

ess0two

phillw wrote: »

The US government says that we won't get a trade deal if there is a border in Ireland, I think you're being selective.

Trump is one of the pawns in the alt right movement, he's below solar panel salesmen in his trustworthiness

As for what lies, how about "nobody is talking about leaving the single market?" The UK farmers were told that we'd have all the benefits of EU membership with less red tape. That is why they are so !!!!ed off right now

I'm sure something's agreeable, just 3 yrs knuckle dragging hasn't helped either.

Backbiter

Gove on no-deal:

Michael Gove himself: “But we didn’t vote to leave without a deal. That wasn’t the message of the campaign I helped lead. During that campaign, we said we should do a deal with the EU and be part of the network of free trade deals that covers all Europe, from Iceland to Turkey.” For good measure, he added: “Leaving without a deal on March 29 would not honour that commitment. It would undoubtedly cause economic turbulence.”

and (2 days before the referendum):

"No-one is seriously arguing that Britain would be outside that free trade area, that tariff barriers would be erected and that Britain's manufacturing goods would be at a disadvantage."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49165836

Arklight

stingey wrote: »

Brexit has been crazy....

This morning as we were driving to school we were listening to the radio and I was explaining to my kids what prorouging Parliament meant and I asked them for their opinions, my 10 year old said "I wish it was all over." I had to agree.

I don't disagree. I am pro-Remain but I don't think there's really any solution other than Brexit of some sort. However the type of Brexit is very much up for debate. Except it isn't because a far right Tory administration of privileged multi-millionaires - some of whom are openly racist, misogynistic liars, leading a party that is bankrolled by corporate vested interests, has dissolved it during the period they should be debating with it.

I don't know if you were driving to a prep school in your Daimler with the chauffeur in the front, but assuming you weren't, do you really think these people care about offering your daughter a better future? And, do you really think separating the UK from a political entity that while far from perfect, has enacted considerable legislation designed to protect her from people like them, is the best move possible?

LHW99

I don't disagree. I am pro-Remain but I don't think there's really any solution other than Brexit of some sort. However the type of Brexit is very much up for debate. Except it isn't because a far right Tory administration of privileged multi-millionaires - some of whom are openly racist, misogynistic liars, leading a party that is bankrolled by corporate vested interests, has dissolved it during the period they should be debating with it.

Cutting perhaps 3-5 DAYS off the time available, since Parliament would shut down for conferences anyway. We have had 3 years of it being discussed, 3 attempts to pass a negotiated deal which was rejected 3 times, and the EU is unwilling to change, a whole series of "indicative votes" that showed there was no majority for anything in particular - what exactly could have been achieved with an extra few days? There should be time for a vote of confidence in the Government, which seems about the only thing likely to move the whole process on - apart from just going on 31st October.