Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

Enterprise_1701C

The speaker is meant to be neutral. Bercow should have gone a long time ago, he most certainly is not neutral.

BJ had to do this due to the machinations of Corbyn. The eu were depending on parliament to force the UK to all but stay in the eu, they now realise BJ is serous on this and might actually wake up to the fact that they have to negotiate rather than dictate.

Tromking

mayonnaise wrote: »

There's no majority for no deal in parliament
There's no majority for no deal within the general population.
There's no majority for no deal within the business community.
There's no majority for no deal anywhere.
So I wonder why you guys think you're going to get a no deal brexit.

......because as it stands at the moment, a no deal Brexit is the legal default of there being no deal agreed before 31st October.
In short, no deal is enshrined in law.
Here to help.

mayonnaise

Tromking wrote: »

......because as it stands at the moment, a no deal Brexit is the legal default of there being no deal agreed before 31st October.
In short, no deal is enshrined in law.
Here to help.

Sure, it was the legal default on 29 March also.

SpiderLegs

mayonnaise wrote: »

But Troms, that was supposed to be dismissed as 'Project Fear' don't you remember?

And for every leader of the Remain campaign stating we would leave the CU and SM, I'll give you a leader of the Leave campaign saying there is no way we'd leave the CU and SM.

Anyway, we've discussed this to death on here. Let's focus on the future. I say 'no deal' is off the table. and yesterday's move by Johnson cemented that.

There's no majority for no deal in parliament
There's no majority for no deal within the general population.
There's no majority for no deal within the business community.
There's no majority for no deal anywhere.
So I wonder why you guys think you're going to get a no deal brexit.

I’m afraid your list is mostly fluff. Simply on the basis that lines 2,3 and 4 are supposition. The reality of the situation is this -

There’s no majority for no deal in parliament
There’s no majority for the deal in parliament
There’s no majority for remain in parliament

If we want parliament to fall in behind one of those three options then we need to redraw the numbers. That way we’ll actually find out if your lines 2,3 and 4 are actually true or not.

Moe_The_Bartender

mayonnaise wrote: »

There's no majority for no deal in parliament
There's no majority for no deal within the general population.
There's no majority for no deal within the business community.
There's no majority for no deal anywhere.
So I wonder why you guys think you're going to get a no deal brexit.

There’s no majority for any deal anywhere so unless one can be agreed by 31 October, the legal default position is that we leave with the no deal that Parliament voted for when it passed the Withdrawal Act.

mayonnaise

BikingBud wrote: »

But we cannot debate endlessly.

How long do you suggest is adequate to debate?

I agree with that.
We had enough debate.
It's now time to put up or shut up.
Time for valiant democrats in parliament to stand up and consign this far-right government to the dustbin of history.

SpiderLegs

Hurrah we are all agreed!

BikingBud

mayonnaise wrote: »

I agree with that.
We had enough debate.
It's now time to put up or shut up.
Time for valiant democrats in parliament to stand up and consign this far-right government to the dustbin of history.

Valiant democrats? It would be good to see who they are.

But let's not conflate the issue. Do you object to the Government or leaving the EU?

I am sure there are "valiant democrats" across all parties but your continual abuse of the so called "far right" indicates that you are not open and receptive to discussion and debate.

If the far right were for staying and the far left were for leaving but it met your personal wishes, despite the clear deviation from agreed and democratic process would you be pushing as hard to ensure your perceived failure of democracy was addressed?

The Government can be changed via a GE. But that GE will not change the underlying impasse as the Brexit situation is cross party, with most parties not being clear on what or how they will deliver. Corbyn and Abbot are prime examples of how the current shambles could get much, much worse.:eek:

I say again they've had 3 years to plan, debate, counter debate and decide. They have not decided so what next?

ben501

Theophile wrote: »

Yep, I got the same form.
I read it then and I read it now, and still can't find any mention of leaving the Customs Union or the Single Market. Maybe it was in small print on the back?

More straw clutching.


There's no mention of anything, other than leaving or remaining.


It's a bit like when you vote (assuming you bother) at an election. you may vote based on what you see or hear, or your interpretation of it, but ultimately you're voting for the party/individual. What happens after that is out of our hands. Just looked at how many times Labour have changed their position since the election.

BikingBud

mayonnaise wrote: »

Sure, it was the legal default on 29 March also.

How far down the road would you like to kick the can? 6 mths? 12 mths? 15 yrs?

How much damage do we wish to sustain while we have politicians that cannot deliver what the electorate wished?

When will you be satisfied that the all the ts have been crossed and the is dotted to try and ensure that we are all happy and comfy? It will not happen to everybody's satisfaction.

Politicians have to stop blocking and frustrating the issue.

We have to move on.