Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

Kohoutek

ben501 wrote: »

Admittedly I'm biased as I voted leave, but to me, Johnson is just making sure those 4 words on the bottom of the poll card are enacted. It's going to be messy, but at least he'll have done what we voted for.
Maybe not in the way we wanted, or the way we thought, but at the end of the day, believe what truth or lies you want, we're heading for what we voted for.

If you endorse sidelining our (only) national democratic institution in order for an unelected leader to "make sure" something "the people" want is implemented, be careful what you wish for. One day it will be a different leader, with a different view of what "the people" want.

adindas

It is Political Crosswords Game
All of these terms just come after the remain lost in the referendum
- Noone voted to become poorer
- Hard Brexit, Soft Brexit
- And now: voted for leaving with a deal or without a deal

ben501 wrote: »

Were the voting forms different in different areas? Around where I live, nobody voted for anything other than leaving or remaining.



I didn't get asked about the 'type of leave'.

Whatever anyone thought of Theresa May's deal, it was all that was, and I assume still is on offer. Maybe MPs should go back and rethink their 'party politics before representing their constituents' approach.
Admittedly I'm biased as I voted leave, but to me, Johnson is just making sure those 4 words on the bottom of the poll card are enacted. It's going to be messy, but at least he'll have done what we voted for.
Maybe not in the way we wanted, or the way we thought, but at the end of the day, believe what truth or lies you want, we're heading for what we voted for.

Enterprise_1701C

We don't elect the PM. We vote for the PARTY as opposed to the PERSONALITY.

Generally the leader of the party we vote for then becomes the PM, on more than one occasion the leader of the party in power has changed.

It is far from unusual for us to have a change of Prime Minister without a general election. Since the Second World War there have been almost as many changes of PM from within the same party as there have as a result of a general election (six during a parliament, seven as a result of an election) up until Cameron.

adindas

Moby wrote: »

Reading your posts is like watching a clown run across a minefield.

And it is only an idiot will be wasting time watching a clown run across a minefield.

triathlon

Oh ****

Well don't start screaming at the moon when food, fuel, and just about everything you can Imagine rises in price, and yes that does include rent.

Moby

https://twitter.com/Ian_Fraser/status/1166797184307802113

Surely Javid has to resign?

adindas

They are getting scared now:

Brexit panic: Varadkar warned no deal would have ‘severe impact’ on Ireland’s economy
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1171205/brexit-latest-news-leo-varadkar-no-deal-ireland-economy-boris-johnson-latest-news-update

Boris' shock move unraveled EU unity, says Brussels insider - 'They are preparing to cave'
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1171171/Brexit-News-EU-Brussels-Boris-Johnson-no-deal-prorogue?utm_source=spotim&utm_medium=spotim_recirculation&spotim_referrer=recirculation

Brexit just got real: Germany reacts to Boris' Brexit proroguing plan with genuine fear
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1170963/Brexit-news-UK-EU-Boris-Johnson-no-deal-latest-update

It is absolutely the right decision to go for a no -deal.
- The current deal would tie the UK to EU rules and regulations indefinitely.
- It would mean the UK will become a vassal state surrender control to the EU subject to rulings from the ECJ.
- It would hand over trade policy with no democratic accountability.
- Even worse, the UK would become the EU cash cow without any voice give some £30bn of taxpayers’ money without getting any agreement over the long-term trading relationship.

For no-deal Brexit Blame the EU.

Any PM signing the UK up to such a deal would likely be harshly judged by history and might face charge as a traitor. Keep in mind in the past there is a move to charge TM as a traitor.

Perhaps the only thing to be said for the Agreement is that it will unify Conservative and Brexit party. Brexit party have mentioned will be willing to work with conservative to deliver brexit.

Herzlos

Even the Express isn't able to spin it as fear. They are baffled, sure, but I'm not convinced they are going to cave.

Thrugelmir

adindas wrote: »

They are getting scared now:

The game of poker is heading for the final rounds. Correct approach by BJ. Otherwise the matter will simply drag on on with endless extensions. With no permanent resolution. An unsatisfactory state of affairs.

Thrugelmir

phillw wrote: »

And let me remind you that nobody voted for leaving without a deal and none of the parties had it in their manifesto.

Has nothing to do with no deal. Many of those in the coalition are simply blockers. Contributed nothing in the past 3 years. Still now nothing constructive. I'm hoping BJ offers Sturgeon a referendum. Will she then tell her troops to vote with the Government. No doubt what Corbyn is scheming.