Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

movilogo wrote: »

Definition of populism:
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Gullible people buying from Snake Oil Salesmen.;)

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Italy has been struggling for 20 years.

Italy was an unstable democracy with a basket case economy and a banana republic currency long before it joined the EU.

They've had what, 60 or 70 governments in the last 50 years?

EU membership isn't the cause of Italy's problems.

Masomnia

'Populism' is really just an insult, opposite to neoliberal. No one would refer to them self as a populist in the same way that no one would call them self a neoliberal. But plenty of people on the left hate 'neoliberalism' even if it isn't really a doctrine that anyone actually subscribes to. 'Populism' isn't a political system in exactly the same way, just an insult.

Arklight

Pringle scoffing Brexit supporters are looking nervously at March and a no deal Brexit. Embargos of Findus Pancakes, A fortnight in Shagaluf to require the finances of a manor squire, and the 2-4-1 Brexit Pint offer at Spoons even looking unlikely to honour the voucher.

Oh dear Brexiters. Oh dear...

Masomnia

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Italy was an unstable democracy with a basket case economy and a banana republic currency long before it joined the EU.

True, and I think that's one reason for the difference in mindset between UK and Continental views of the EU. We've never had the kind of instability that Italy has had, not within living memory anyway. Similarly to someone in Spain who lived under Franco the idea of having a supranational body to oversee their government might not be bad thing; to Brits it's an anathema because we've never lived under fascism.

Arklight

Masomnia wrote: »

True, and I think that's one reason for the difference in mindset between UK and Continental views of the EU. We've never had the kind of instability that Italy has had, not within living memory anyway. Similarly to someone in Spain who lived under Franco the idea of having a supranational body to oversee their government might not be bad thing; to Brits it's an anathema because we've never lived under fascism.

Typical Brit arrogance. Sitting in your house with broken windows and holes in the roof, criticising the pattern on your neighbour's carpet.

Masomnia

Arklight wrote: »

Typical Brit arrogance. Sitting in your house with broken windows and holes in the roof, criticising the pattern on your neighbour's carpet.

Maybe it is arrogance, I'm not sure, but I do think our history has resulted in us having a different psyche from our continental cousins. If you're Dutch and remember the occupation of your country by another European nation it's obvious you'll feel differently from a country whose mainland hasn't been successfully invaded* in almost a thousand years. Same with a country like Poland that was a huge country, then got a bit smaller, then stopped existing at all, now is a proud nation again....




*excepting perhaps 1688 which we can debate if you like.

Thrugelmir

Originally Posted by HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Italy was an unstable democracy with a basket case economy and a banana republic currency long before it joined the EU.

Reinforces my point. After all the UK is a net contributor to the coffers. There's plenty of deprivation that could be addressed directly in the UK with the funds.

Tromking

Arklight wrote: »

Typical Brit arrogance. Sitting in your house with broken windows and holes in the roof, criticising the pattern on your neighbour's carpet.

Poor old Arky, how he’d love to cite a period in our not too distant past where fascists held sway in the U.K. and because of that our continued EU membership is a vital firewall against a return to our latent fascist and nationalistic tendencies.
Of course if he were, German, Italian, Austrian, Spanish and maybe Hungarian maybe he could.
Rollocks! Sometimes being a Brit is so damned inconvenient.

gfplux

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Italy has been struggling for 20 years. No wonder some people question the wisdom of being part of a political union. Which has seen Germany change from the sick man to the powerhouse. On nothing more than a highly competitive exchange rate when entering the Euro. Smoke and mirrors. Likewise Greece has been sunk and left to drift. Without the influx of expats one wonders what the Spanish economy would be like now. Still struggling in broad terms. So much of Europe depends on tourism.

This thread is about Brexit.
If Britain has done badly as a member of the EU why is it not in your list. Or is it you want Britain to leave the EU because it has done better than some other country’s.
Isn’t that a strange reason to leave.