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Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

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  • andrewf75
    andrewf75 Posts: 10,424 Forumite
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    edited 15 February 2019 at 5:40PM
    movilogo wrote: »

    BTW, don't see any wrong with populism. Why it is any worse than socialism?

    A bizarre comparison. Populism is not a political system. Its just simplistic reactionary and often contradictory "solutions" to problems which make no sense in the long run. You can't compare it to other political isms, which whatever their faults are at least based on a coherant vision.
  • phillw
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    edited 15 February 2019 at 5:50PM
    kabayiri wrote: »
    You confuse the existence of something with the quality of something.

    No, you misunderstand what the word plan means.
    kabayiri wrote: »
    How we deal with (successfully or not) is up to us, but it doesn't change the exit route...which is by design, ergo it is a plan !

    No, because it wasn't and still isn't planned that we'd exit without a deal. There is no plan, no matter what word gymnastics you try to conjure up.

    You can have an idea to do something, you can even start implementing that idea, that doesn't make it a plan.

    You can't attach a mirror to a deck chair and claim you've built a car, it needs wheels and a method of propulsion to get anywhere. Which has a lot in common with our current lack of planning.

    If our education system is this bad, then I can see why we ended up in this mess.
  • movilogo
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    andrewf75 wrote: »
    A bizarre comparison. Populism is not a political system. Its just simplistic reactionary and often contradictory "solutions" to problems which make no sense in the long run.


    Definition of populism:


    a political approach that strives to appeal to ordinary people who feel that their concerns are disregarded by established elite groups.


    The definition itself is self explanatory why populism is getting popular.
    Happiness is buying an item and then not checking its price after a month to discover it was reduced further.
  • Zxcv_Bnm wrote: »
    like the USSR politburo then.
    How on earth does being appointed by the government of the various countries make it similar to the USSR Politburo? Please explain! Surely you know that these governments which make the appointments are the result of free elections, while there were no free elections in the USSR?
    so what exactly are they appointed to do? what UK party has ever said "we'll appoint our nominee to do X"?
    Discuss this with the relevant UK parties that failed to do it, not with the EU.
    UKIP won the last EU elections in the UK.Why wasn't Farage our nominee to the EU Commission?
    Again, that’s a question for the UK Government, not for the EU.
    where and when did the UK government express what its nominee would do? how did it select its nominee? did it consider sceptics, reformists, or just europhiles?
    Again, that’s a question for the UK Government, not for the EU.

    you wish. I get that you want to be a serf.
    I see you have carefully avoided the question.
    Let’s try again. You don’t like the fact that EU Commissioners are appointed indirectly, rather than being elected directly. I asked you how that is different from the appointment of British ministers. You have so far failed to answer. Why? Can you please answer the question?
    swap them all around and nothing would change - they do what the unelected commission wants
    You could say the same of quite a few British ministers!
    it makes them one party states. you want the EU to be a one party state
    What are you on, really? How does the lack of an explicit shadow cabinet make then one-party states? Surely you realise this is an illogical rant? AFAIK France, Germany, Spain Italy etc do not have explicit shadow cabinets; please explain why they would therefore be one-party states.
    how about if 14 EU states nominated a neo Nazi
    that be OK would it? of course not, nominees must agree with you
    ????? I genuinely fail to see the thought process here.
    Remainers should educate themselves in what fake democracies have looked like - USSR, Germany pre WW1 - so they recognise one when they see it
    Yet you have repeatedly failed to provide a modicum of evidence to support these absurd comparisons of yours…
    the commission can disregard MEPs if it chooses
    How do you explain that the Euopean Parliament managed to block the Bolkenstein directive till it was modified to reflect the changes MEPs wanted? I am all ears.
    how do I get to be PM> I win an election
    Not only. Also if the current MP resigns and I become the new leader, even if I don’t have a clear mandate from the electorate to be PM
    how do I get to be on the EU commission? I get appointed
    AGAIN: HOW IS IT DIFFERENT FROM BEING APPOINTED MINISTER??? Why are you refusing to answer this very banal question?
  • andrewf75
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    movilogo wrote: »
    Definition of populism:


    a political approach that strives to appeal to ordinary people who feel that their concerns are disregarded by established elite groups.


    The definition itself is self explanatory why populism is getting popular.

    Yes, but my point still stands - it isn't a joined up political system!

    ordinary people want many contradictory things - lower taxes, better infrastructure, less regulation when it suits them, more when it suits them...

    It isn't a viable system especially as it also involves turning people against each other
  • Thrugelmir
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    andrewf75 wrote: »

    It isn't a viable system especially as it also involves turning people against each other

    Current situation that the EU as a political project finds itself in. The underclass are revolting. European history reawakens again.
  • kabayiri
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    Thrugelmir wrote: »
    Current situation that the EU as a political project finds itself in. The underclass are revolting. European history reawakens again.

    It reflects the alternating history of empire vs the desire for independence.

    The EU can never be everything to everyone within the Union. It might come down to how it manages the dissenting voices, as to how it deals with difficult times.
  • MobileSaver
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    Zxcv_Bnm wrote: »

    So, as suspected, nothing more than fake news.

    You said "soon corp tax rates will be an EU power" when in reality it is nothing more than one of probably thousands of proposals currently being lobbied for within the EU and one that will only happen if the member states want it to happen.
    French Finance Minister ... wanted to get other EU countries to sign up to a Franco-German proposal ... So we are lobbying our European partners ... France and Germany have long struggled to build support for harmonising corporate tax rules
    The finance ministers of all 28 EU countries will have to agree to these proposals unanimously before they can be implemented.
    Every generation blames the one before...
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  • Thrugelmir
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    kabayiri wrote: »
    It reflects the alternating history of empire vs the desire for independence.

    Italy has been struggling for 20 years. No wonder some people question the wisdom of being part of a political union. Which has seen Germany change from the sick man to the powerhouse. On nothing more than a highly competitive exchange rate when entering the Euro. Smoke and mirrors. Likewise Greece has been sunk and left to drift. Without the influx of expats one wonders what the Spanish economy would be like now. Still struggling in broad terms. So much of Europe depends on tourism.
  • phillw
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    movilogo wrote: »
    The definition itself is self explanatory why populism is getting popular.

    The way it's normally used isn't about appealing to the people, but whether it would appeal to a lynch mob.
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