Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

movilogo

EU wants to censor internet. Read about Article 13.

Zero_Gravitas

movilogo wrote: »

EU wants to censor internet. Read about Article 13.

Sigh. Article 13 is about the protection of copyright - which has always been and will continue to be a contentious area:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-47239600

It’s got nothing to do with censorship, except, apparently, in the minds of conspiracy theorists who believe the EU is some sort of giant plot.

SouthLondonUser

Ah, the logical fallacy of taking single, isolated cases out of context, without wondering whether or how they are representative at all…

I have my own reservations about article 13, especially on automated filters, and on what happens if they block your content in error. But that’s not the point. There will always be legislation one doesn’t agree with. Recent UK governments have done loads of stuff which I think is wrong, incompetent and damaging to the country – this isn’t a good reason to advocate the abolishment of Parliament! The point is trying to understand if there is a consistent trend of EU legislation going against UK interests. On this, my opinion is the answer is a clear and loud NO. In fact, on many fronts the EU has shown it’s able to protect the interest of UK citizens better than most UK governments: the EU tends to be stricter than the UK when it comes to protecting workers’ rights (working time directive), the environment, food safety standards etc.

Is it perfect? No. Is it subject to pressures and lobbying, like any government? Of course it is! Again, the key point is comparing how different it is to the UK (can anyone claim UK governments are not susceptible to lobbying?), especially in a post-Brexit world, in which our bargaining power would be limited, and the price for the much-coveted trade deals is likely to be lowering our standards; chlorinated chicken, anyone?

phillw

SouthLondonUser wrote: »

especially in a post-Brexit world, in which our bargaining power would be limited,

Which should be evident from countries unwilling to roll over their EU trade deals with us.

Countries we struggled to do trade with even though we had a good trade deal, not because of prejudice but lack of ability.

MobileSaver

Zxcv_Bnm wrote: »

the point is that soon corp tax rates will be an EU power and will nevr come back

I must have missed this breaking news; on what date will corp taxes become an EU Power? Or is that just more fake news?

kabayiri

melanzana wrote: »

Why would he? It is blatantly obvious to anyone with any brain that the Brexit plan was non existent and without any sketch of a plan.

PM May has a plan and it is patently obvious for all to see.

She is trying to coerce her political colleagues to accept the deal she agreed, whilst trying to coerce the EU to bend enough on the backstop to get the deal through the HoP.

That is a plan. I'm not saying it is a good or effective plan, but it *is* a plan!

There are others who want us to let A50 take us into a default exit. That is also a plan.

Even so-called Remainers don't have a singular plan. Some want a GE. Some want to extend A50. Some want another referendum. Some want complete cancellation of A50.

Whilst there are multiple camps within our politics, there will be multiple plans.

phillw

kabayiri wrote: »

There are others who want us to let A50 take us into a default exit. That is also a plan.

Not having a plan, isn't a plan. All the news articles where businesses are saying that leaving without a deal will be a disaster because of the lack of planning aren't just propaganda you know.

We won't wake up the day after brexit and still have the same benefits of being in the EU, we'll have cut off our nose to spite our face and wonder where our nose has gone.

Tromking

MobileSaver wrote: »

I must have missed this breaking news; on what date will corp taxes become an EU Power? Or is that just more fake news?

The only thing I’ve heard is that the Eurozone will via majority voting opt for harmonised corp taxes. Much to the annoyance of Ireland and Luxembourg apparently.

kabayiri

phillw wrote: »

Not having a plan, isn't a plan. All the news articles where businesses are saying that leaving without a deal will be a disaster because of the lack of planning aren't just propaganda you know.

We won't wake up the day after brexit and still have the same benefits of being in the EU, we'll have cut off our nose to spite our face and wonder where our nose has gone.

You confuse the existence of something with the quality of something.

The architect of A50 envisaged a 2 year window to reach a deal, and if this didn't happen the relationship would revert to the UK being a Third Country.

How we deal with (successfully or not) is up to us, but it doesn't change the exit route...which is by design, ergo it is a plan !

andrewf75

Yes, I think its the lack of a co-ordinated plan that is the problem.

Too many people are playing politics and not putting the country's interests first. Labour especially should be backing May's plan as it is not really any different to theirs.