Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

BikingBud

Thrugelmir wrote: »

The commission is based in Brussels and Strasbourg. Who in the EU actually ensures that any passed legislation is strictly enforced at local level? Health and safety standards being a classic example.

All EU regulation should be passed as National laws and the application is then farmed out to National bodies eg HSE.

But we must accept that EU governance applied via one National body is found to be fit for all EU nations and we do not need to carry out our own inspections and quality checks, approval marks such as CE.

However we all know that the horse meat originated somewhere within the EU and therefore our food standards agency staff did not complete any checks.

So lax application of EU regulation ergo national laws is a failure of the originating state.

Sailtheworld

Conina wrote: »

So I'm waiting too to see "Who in the EU actually ensures that any passed legislation is strictly enforced at local level?" because you're presumed example is not that. To dumb it down for you, which official EU body polices food safety at a local level?

I'm pretty impressed that you argue about lax enforcement of EU legislation without having the foggiest idea about the enforcement process.

There aren't hordes of EU bureaucrats roaming the UK checking for compliance. It's not just food either; the competent body approach is common across multiple business sectors.

Sailtheworld

Thrugelmir wrote: »

The commission is based in Brussels and Strasbourg. Who in the EU actually ensures that any passed legislation is strictly enforced at local level? Health and safety standards being a classic example.

The Health & Safety Executive...

adindas

Why this thread is suddenly diverted to food standard ??
To me I will eat every thing if it has been authorised by one of the developed countries food standard.

Sell the chlorinated chicken in the UK ? I will eat that. I prefer to eat the food like that as I have been made aware of it in advance rather than to eat horse meat which is packed as beef like the one you get from Romania. EU food standard eeeh .....

The people in the US do eat chlorinated chicken, yet the people there is still healthy and intelligent.

Keep in mind US win the most medals in the Olympic games (healthy), as well as intelligent considering a lot of inventions, nobel prize winner who did eat chlorinated chicken.

phillw

BikingBud wrote: »

However we all know that the horse meat originated somewhere within the EU and therefore our food standards agency staff did not complete any checks.

Well they didn't DNA check it, we don't know they didn't complete any checks.

AFAIK the horse meat was perfectly safe to eat.

adindas wrote: »

The people in the US do eat chlorinated chicken, yet the people there is still healthy and intelligent.

Some people are, a lot of people are not. I don't think you have enough evidence to draw a conclusion. Maybe it is what makes the police want to go round shooting black people.

However chlorinated chicken isn't a food safety issue. It's a welfare issue. By allowing US chicken to be sold into the UK then our farmers would be forced to lower their standards to compete.

If you don't mind becoming reliant on imports from the US, which could leave us heavily exposed to currency shifts, then chlorinated chicken sounds great. It's not what healthy and intelligent people would do though.

Sailtheworld

adindas wrote: »

Keep in mind US win the most medals in the Olympic games (healthy), as well as intelligent considering a lot of inventions, nobel prize winner who did eat chlorinated chicken.

I hope you warmed up before that stretch. You'll do yourself a mischief.

BikingBud

phillw wrote: »

Well they didn't DNA check it, we don't know they didn't complete any checks.

AFAIK the horse meat was perfectly safe to eat.

But it wasn't what it claimed to be and was therefore not traced to origin and was not compliant.

Section 14 - selling to the purchaser’s prejudice any food which is not of the nature or substance or quality demanded by the purchaser.

So the system failed. How many failures of compliance was the system expected to prevent, >90%, >98%?

Section 15 -falsely describing or presenting food.

phillw wrote: »

However chlorinated chicken isn't a food safety issue. It's a welfare issue. By allowing US chicken to be sold into the UK then our farmers would be forced to lower their standards to compete.

Really!:eek:

The burden of foodborne diseases is substantial: every year almost 1 in 10 people fall ill and 33 million of healthy life years are lost.

See here

Americans love chicken, but it doesn’t always love us back. We eat way more of it than any other meat, and it triggers more foodborne disease outbreak-related illnesses than any other food, according to a recent report from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The main reason it makes people sick is because it carries salmonella.

and

So in 2016, the agency began regularly testing randomly selected chicken legs, wings, and breasts from slaughterhouses for salmonella, establishing a “maximum acceptable” rate at 15.4 percent for parts sampled at the end of a slaughterhouse’s kill line.

Or for a comparison with the Brazilian problem:
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/jul/03/brazil-one-million-salmonella-infected-chickens-uk

And the UK rate:

In the UK high standards and close monitoring meant that salmonella rates ranged from 1.5% to 2.2% between 2013 and 2017, according to the Food Standards Agency (FSA).

I would have thought that someone that claims so vehemently that understanding the potential outcomes and scenarios is vital before any decision is made would have investigated this before making such blatantly false statement.

adindas

Sailtheworld wrote: »

I hope you warmed up before that stretch. You'll do yourself a mischief.

Of course I warmed up before that stretch. But doing that I do not experience a mischief.

But if I have time, I prefer to become a chef, cooking meal that I enjoy myself rather than buying lasagne packed as a beef lasagne but contained horse meat. This is due to the EU food standard ehh.....

Sailtheworld

adindas wrote: »

Of course I warmed up before that stretch. But doing that I do not experience a mischief.

But if I have time, I prefer to become a chef, cooking meal that I enjoy myself rather than buying lasagne packed as a beef lasagne but contained horse meat. This is due to the EU food standard ehh.....

If you think leaving the EU will mean no more food issues then you get my vote for optimist of the day.

BikingBud

phillw wrote: »

However chlorinated chicken isn't a food safety issue. It's a welfare issue. By allowing US chicken to be sold into the UK then our farmers would be forced to lower their standards to compete.

Do you need any more?

We examined the food safety records of the United States, as the Government has already set up working groups with them to discuss a possible future deal.

We found:

The US reports higher rates of illness from foodborne illness than in the UK. Annually, 14.7% (48m) of the US population suffer from an illness, versus 1.5% (1m) in the UK. This is nearly ten times the percentage of population. [see note 3 below]
The US reports higher rates of deaths from foodborne illness than in the UK. The annual death rate in the US is 3,000 per annum, versus 500 in the UK. [The US population is about 5 times the size of the UK.]

The Food Standards Agency recently updated its guidance to say that eating soft-boiled British Lion Mark eggs is now safe, thanks to a dramatic reduction in the presence of salmonella. By contrast, the US Food and Drug Administration still advises US consumers to hard boil their eggs due to salmonella fears. They report 79,000 cases of illness and 30 deaths a year from salmonella infected eggs.