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Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

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  • adindas
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    edited 22 August 2019 at 9:21PM
    But they don't seem bothered about doing a deal with Argentina to buy large quantities of beef, production of which is also devastating for the environment.

    It's also worth pointing out that Malaysia has legislated to preserve a minimum of 50% of its landmass as virgin jungle.

    The EU proposal seems to have more to do with protecting Hungarian and Romanian sunflower oil producers than the environment.

    It is only the blind will not to be able to see that EU is highly protected market. They are using a double standard. They preach and shout the loudest about environment and fair trade when it suits them.

    Just look how many taxpayers money including your and my money have been wasted to subsidize farmers, agricultural products in the EU make it difficult for the farmers from developing countries to compete.

    Under the EU Common Agricultural Policy (CAP), the EU will direct almost one third of its budget between 2014 and 2020, amounting to €270bn, to supporting the EU farmers. It is hell a lot of money. Guess who gain the most from EU CAP ? It is french farmers.

    https://www.publicfinanceinternational.org/news/2016/04/impact-eu270bn-eu-farm-subsidies-impossible-measure-say-auditors

    Glad to see UK is in preparation to leave this cartel organisation.
    What sort of organisations threaten / punish their members for leaving?

    There are only three examples spring to mind: mafioso type organisation, secret societies/ cults attempting to undermine the existing order, and extreme religious organisation such as ISIS.
  • BikingBud
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    adindas wrote: »
    Under the EU Common Agricultural Policy (CAP), the EU will direct almost one third of its budget between 2014 and 2020, amounting to €270bn, to supporting the EU farmers. It is hell a lot of money. Guess who gain the most from EU CAP ? It is french farmers.

    https://www.publicfinanceinternational.org/news/2016/04/impact-eu270bn-eu-farm-subsidies-impossible-measure-say-auditors

    Come on, if you're trying to undermine the system there must be something more up to date than that:(
  • BikingBud
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    Euractiv
    With €365 billion between 2021-2027 the Common Agricultural Policy will continue to represent the second biggest budget of the EU. The CAP’s objectives remain largely unchanged since 1962 and need to be radically reviewed if we want them to reflect social demands and the finite environmental limits, write a group of Green MEPs.
  • Arklight
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    BikingBud wrote: »
    Horses? From the EU?

    Horses from the EU? Neigh I hear you say:(





    Experts say the scandal has highlighted the complexity of the food industry's supply chains across Europe.

    Good old EU:T:T

    I'm sure it'll be much better when we're importing the same food but 35% more expensive due to WTO terms, with no say whatsoever as to how it's grown, reared, or distributed.
  • BikingBud
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    Arklight wrote: »
    I'm sure it'll be much better when we're importing the same food but 35% more expensive due to WTO terms, with no say whatsoever as to how it's grown, reared, or distributed.

    Get over it mate you cannot keep spouting unfounded nonsense.

    Government Europa
    Beef, pork, poultry and lamb meat are some of the most common agricultural products that are being traded; there are a number of food safety and animal health requirements and regulations in place to ensure the meat trade is safe for all European citizens. With Brexit looming, there has been much speculation around what it will mean for Britain and Europe alike.

    So while this was all in place we were getting horse meat. We export lots of meat and meat products. Why would it cost us anything if we kept that for ourselves rather than trying to compete with horse meat?
  • Arklight
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    BikingBud wrote: »
    Get over it mate you cannot keep spouting unfounded nonsense.

    Government Europa


    So while this was all in place we were getting horse meat. We export lots of meat and meat products. Why would it cost us anything if we kept that for ourselves rather than trying to compete with horse meat?

    Because the UK can only produce 60% of the food required to feed it's population. Irrespective of the fact that some people actually want to eat food from outside the UK.

    WTO terms, which you are all so pleased about, can impose tariffs of up to 35% on agricultural products.

    Even if it's only the more common 4% - 5% it's another 5% on people's shopping bills in a country that is getting progressively poorer the longer this idiots parade continues.
  • gfplux
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    edited 23 August 2019 at 6:36AM
    This is Delano Daily take on Johnson’s meeting with the bad cop.

    QUOTE
    Brexit: Macron puts ball in Johnson’s court
    Emmanuel Macron, the French president, called the Irish backstop an “indispensable” part of any Brexit deal, said renewed EU-UK withdrawal negotiations would achieve little, and gave the British prime minister, Boris Johnson, 30 days to put forward concrete alternative proposals. Reported by the BBC, Euractiv, Financial Times, Guardian and Marketwatch.
    END QUOTE

    I wonder did the 30 day countdown start on Wednesday or was it reset on Thursday? Roughly it make the deadline Saturday 21st September.
    There will be no Brexit dividend for Britain.
  • Sailtheworld
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    BikingBud wrote: »
    So while this was all in place we were getting horse meat. We export lots of meat and meat products. Why would it cost us anything if we kept that for ourselves rather than trying to compete with horse meat?

    Food scandals will continue to happen whether we stay in the EU or leave. You should be thinking about whether the food risk is lower or higher. I'm hopeful that Boris isn't quite as stupid as I think and won't degrade food standards for the quick political win of a US trade deal. Trump can see that, for Boris, just about any deal would have the brexiteers braying with delight which puts the UK in a weak position.

    In terms of 'keeping' meat exports for ourselves there's a point being missed. UK meat is seen as premium so its more expensive i.e. it's a luxury item. The expensive stuff is exported (or sold to better off people) whilst cheaper stuff imported because the UK consumer is seeking out that cheaper stuff. If we stop importing and eating home grown meat ourselves you'd be mandating that people pay more for meat and meat products. I doubt we're self sufficient in meat so that would also be inflationary. The average consumer will therefore reduce their consumption of premium products so you've decided to stop exports and shrink consumption too.

    Don't tell me - we could do with eating a bit less anyway.
  • Moby
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    BikingBud wrote: »
    Horses? From the EU?

    Horses from the EU? Neigh I hear you say:(





    Experts say the scandal has highlighted the complexity of the food industry's supply chains across Europe.

    Good old EU:T:T

    You blame the EU for mad cow disease and foot and mouth as well?
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