Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

Theophile

buglawton wrote: »

That reminds me of when several cyclists in London got injured/killed by lorries. Boris wanted to legislate that lorries would have extra safety features. Getting legislation through the EU to enforce this is a drawn out affair,

Yes, because the UK Government opposed it.

Boris Johnson has also accused the Government of working against European plans for new HGV cab designs that would improve safety for vulnerable road users.

ministers have been accused of briefing MEPs that the move might harm British manufacturing interests.

https://road.cc/content/news/244840-2014-boris-johnson-blamed-uk-blocking-eu-rules-safer-lorries-now-he-blames-eu




(this was of course before he U-turned and started blaming the EU)

https://road.cc/content/news/244840-2014-boris-johnson-blamed-uk-blocking-eu-rules-safer-lorries-now-he-blames-eu

buglawton

Yes the British govt had to get in an argument with the EU and it's lobby groups, as it was not in a position to push through local legislation like the stopgap retrofit I mentioned.

SpiderLegs

Moby wrote: »

So I'm glad you agree how high our standards are while we are in the EU. When we leave however they are likely to slip. The reason....we need new trade deals and in order to get them we will need to undercut the EU, chlorinated chicken and hormone fed beef here we come! Environmental standards and employment rights will also be eroded. Johnson said as much a few days ago.
https://www.ft.com/content/26caaa8e-1185-11e8-8cb6-b9ccc4c4dbbb

We will have to undercut the EU? Seems a strange idea. I thought trade deals were primarily about reducing tariffs and equalising trade rather than directly competing with other countries.

I wasn’t aware that the EU had had to drop all their standards to Canada/japan levels when they did those deals. Or perhaps it was the other way round and Canada are now plummeting to the depths of EU environmental standards. All so they can undercut the US and China.

The EU of course are pariahs of virtue so they will forego this requirement in trade talks with us, so that we can keep our superior standards instead of having to drop down to their level.

Conina

Moby wrote: »

So I'm glad you agree how high our standards are while we are in the EU. When we leave however they are likely to slip. The reason....we need new trade deals and in order to get them we will need to undercut the EU, chlorinated chicken and hormone fed beef here we come! Environmental standards and employment rights will also be eroded. Johnson said as much a few days ago.
https://www.ft.com/content/26caaa8e-1185-11e8-8cb6-b9ccc4c4dbbb

The post above this admirably demonstrates why your entire post is nothing more than an anti-Brexit rant about things you very obviously don't understand at all ( I presume you don't drink our tap water or eat any prepared salad goods for example) but our standards are high despite the EU and could be better - in fact probably will be better after we're free of restrictive EU rules.
One of their rules is that you often don't need to know where in the EU your food comes from, in fact it only needs to be labelled for example "origin: non-EU" and I already proved that animal welfare outside the UK is often far inferior to our own but never mind the facts, you dream on about what will in all likelihood never happen and good luck in your quest to find any hormone-fed USA beef here in the UK any time soon, do let us know when you find any though I won't hold my breath waiting.

Thrugelmir

BikingBud wrote: »

Why should they continue to happen when the all powerful EU has the necessary ruling and oversight to ensure that a suitable system of safeguards is in place?

The commission is based in Brussels and Strasbourg. Who in the EU actually ensures that any passed legislation is strictly enforced at local level? Health and safety standards being a classic example.

Backbiter

Thrugelmir wrote: »

The commission is based in Brussels and Strasbourg. Who in the EU actually ensures that any passed legislation is strictly enforced at local level? Health and safety standards being a classic example.

The UK food standards agency. https://www.food.gov.uk/
They uphold and enforce EU regulations.
The do-gooding interfering British bureaucrats, coming over here, keeping our food safe.

Conina

Backbiter wrote: »

The UK food standards agency. https://www.food.gov.uk/
They uphold and enforce EU regulations.
The do-gooding interfering British bureaucrats, coming over here, keeping our food safe.

You don't know what the UK Food Standards Agency is or what it does, obviously - it might have helped you if you'd taken a little time to read it before cutting and pasting - because the bit I highlighted of your quote is untrue. If you're saying it isn't untrue quote me directly from the UK Food Standards Agency where it specifically says that they "uphold and enforce EU regulations"?
They don't because as they say

We are an independent Government department working across England, Wales and Northern Ireland to protect public health and consumers' wider interests in food. We make sure that food is safe and what it says it is.

So I'm waiting too to see "Who in the EU actually ensures that any passed legislation is strictly enforced at local level?" because you're presumed example is not that. To dumb it down for you, which official EU body polices food safety at a local level?

Backbiter

Conina wrote: »

You don't know what the UK Food Standards Agency is or what it does, obviously - it might have helped you if you'd taken a little time to read it before cutting and pasting - because the bit I highlighted of your quote is untrue. If you're saying it isn't untrue quote me directly from the UK Food Standards Agency where it specifically says that they "uphold and enforce EU regulations"?
They don't because as they say

So I'm waiting too to see "Who in the EU actually ensures that any passed legislation is strictly enforced at local level?" because you're presumed example is not that. To dumb it down for you, which official EU body polices food safety at a local level?

https://ec.europa.eu/food/safety/official_controls_en

The EU countries are responsible for the enforcement of agri-food chain legislation. Competent authorities organise official controls systems on their territory to verify that operators' activities and goods placed on the EU market (either EU produced or imported from non-EU countries) comply with relevant standards and requirements

In the UK, the 'competent authority' is the Food Standards Agency.

All business operators must ensure compliance with EU agri-food chain requirements in their daily activities. They are subject to official controls irrespective of their size, depending on the risk posed by different activities to the safety of the agri-food chain. - taken from the above website.

mayonnaise

Conina wrote: »

We can make them as rigorous as we want, that's the point and FYI UK standards here are generally much higher than the EU's

Sailtheworld wrote: »

How can that be the point if you say standards are already higher while we still wear the shackles?

Did you ever get an answer to your question, Sail?

Moby

Conina wrote: »

The post above this admirably demonstrates why your entire post is nothing more than an anti-Brexit rant about things you very obviously don't understand at all ( I presume you don't drink our tap water or eat any prepared salad goods for example) but our standards are high despite the EU and could be better - in fact probably will be better after we're free of restrictive EU rules.
One of their rules is that you often don't need to know where in the EU your food comes from, in fact it only needs to be labelled for example "origin: non-EU" and I already proved that animal welfare outside the UK is often far inferior to our own but never mind the facts, you dream on about what will in all likelihood never happen and good luck in your quest to find any hormone-fed USA beef here in the UK any time soon, do let us know when you find any though I won't hold my breath waiting.

Actually our standards are high because we are in the EU and I've given a reason why our standards will be under threat when we leave. You haven't explained why they will be higher when we leave!
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(19)30540-9/fulltext


https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/dec/05/brexit-poses-huge-risk-to-britains-food-standards-report-says