Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

triathlon

MaxiRobriguez wrote: »

Let me guess.

You're middle class, white, went to university with grants or your parents paid it for you, got a job without much effort, got promoted with the same. You own a house, maybe one with four bedrooms, most of the mortgage is paid off already if not entirely. You've got a defined benefit pension if you're a bit older or if you're younger you've been able to contribute heavily to your DC scheme because your parents helped you onto the housing ladder so there's nothing else to save for. You think yourself cultured because you take city breaks to Europe. Life has been pretty easy for you so it's no surprise that people who don't have the same upstanding persona in society don't quite meet your expectations that you inherited rather than earned.

Is that unfair? Highly, so perhaps a little humility yourself wouldn't go amiss when putting 17 million people into the same box because you can't be arsed to get out of your echo chamber?

Everything in that statement explains why some succeed in life and others look to blame some. Great bit of generalising though, some of true and some rubbish. I talk to Brexiteers all the time, they just get calm conversation from me which usually leads to me giving the impression that I am not bothered either way as they go into a rant. weather it's their bad paying jobs, "those scrounging immigrants" or their high housing rent and so many other jealous reasons, they just want to bring people down to their level with an exit rather than work hard and rise to our level.

Tromking

LHW99 wrote: »

Interestin
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49420730

An unfortunate underestimate of inward EU migration just before the referendum...........:)

Conina

triathlon wrote: »

Everything in that statement explains why some succeed in life and others look to blame some. Great bit of generalising though, some of true and some rubbish. I talk to Brexiteers all the time, they just get calm conversation from me which usually leads to me giving the impression that I am not bothered either way as they go into a rant. weather it's their bad paying jobs, "those scrounging immigrants" or their high housing rent and so many other jealous reasons, they just want to bring people down to their level with an exit rather than work hard and rise to our level.

"weather" [sic] that's true or not (doubtful at best) such a response would hardly be surprising given your sneering derogatory sweeping generalisations inferring that somehow anybody whose opinion differs to yours must be inferior, be it educationally or whatever. "The cream", really - well certainly not judging by your own comments.

mayonnaise

Welcome to the forum, Conina.

mayonnaise

LHW99 wrote: »

Interestin
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49420730

The number of EU migrants who contribute on average £2,300 more to the Exchequer per annum than the average Brit has been underestimated.
Good news I'd say.

Tromking

mayonnaise wrote: »

The number of EU migrants who contribute on average £2,300 more to the Exchequer per annum than the average Brit has been underestimated.
Good news I'd say.

Does that stat apply to the 2004 accession countries specifically or all EU migrants?

mayonnaise

Tromking wrote: »

Does that stat apply to the 2004 accession countries specifically or all EU migrants?

All EU migrants. It's an average.

BikingBud

mayonnaise wrote: »

The number of EU migrants who contribute on average £2,300 more to the Exchequer per annum than the average Brit has been underestimated.
Good news I'd say.

So if the number is greater than estimated then the assumption that underpins the average must also be similarly underestimated which then reduces the average accordingly.

So what figure should we take off arbitrarily? £800, £1500, £2000?

mayonnaise

BikingBud wrote: »

So if the number is greater than estimated then the assumption that underpins the average must also be similarly underestimated which then reduces the average accordingly.

So what figure should we take off arbitrarily? £800, £1500, £2000?

You better take this up with Oxford Economics.
https://www.oxfordeconomics.com/recent-releases/8747673d-3b26-439b-9693-0e250df6dbba
There's a 'contact' link at the top of the page.

Tromking

BikingBud wrote: »

So if the number is greater than estimated then the assumption that underpins the average must also be similarly underestimated which then reduces the average accordingly.

So what figure should we take off arbitrarily? £800, £1500, £2000?

I’m not sure it’s a reliable indicator anyway, when you factor in that EU workers are on average more likely to be younger, fitter and more economically active than your average U.K. born person.
The whole raison detre for EU migrants residency in the UK is to work, the picture for UK citizens is more mixed obviously.